Carrying on from yesterday’s the NRA gun worshipper George Zimmerman fan and I wrangle some more post, my part in italics:
Once again Sloan,
Gosh, Elaine, what happened to: “I know we are at an empass in our philosophies. Thank you for conversing with this crazy caucazoid (mispelled on purpose) It’s been fun. I really am going on to another topic…”?
I really was hoping you had adios-ed …
you mix personal experience ( dare I say delusions) with actual verifiable facts. It is as if I said god has told me thousands of times that jesus did not exist. Would that be proof to anyone? No. So please stick to objective verifiable facts in you argument. Once upon a time, anyone who did not believe the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth was either not objective (delusional) or a heretic (demonic). Way you come across so far, you have a one-dimensional life, which was what everyone around Jesus was having when he showed up in their midst. Some of them moved beyond that and saw plenty of proof God existed, which objectively satisfied them. Same has happened with me. I truly would be delusional if I expected you, or anyone, to believe anything I say about my experiences beyond the one dimension. However, I have known lots of people who were beyond the one dimension, with whom I had numerous discussions about their and my own multi-dimensional experiences, which we took as objective fact, verified. Maybe some day you will have those kinds of experiences yourself, otherwise you will remain at impass with anything beyond the first dimension. “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Yes George was charged as you say. In your mind that justifies Travon’s behavior. Did I say it justified Trayvon’s behavior? No. I wrote that because, after saying you hoped the trial was based on the facts of the case itself, you went after Trayvon over his life before he met George Zimmerman. So I mirrored with George what you had done with Trayvon. I thought what I did, and why I did it, was blatantly obvious – objective. In my mind it does not. It prooves that Trayvon will attack someone who has not provoked him, and it prooves that George will help a friend, even though it was wrong. It proved George Zimmerman assaulted a police officer who tried to arrest him. It proved nothing about what Zimmerman will do to help a friend. Your thinking here is devoid of objectivity and is twisted. You have totally identified with and merged with Zimmerman; you defend yourself by defending him; you defend yourself by attacking Trayvon. Violence is not in the heart. It is in the mind. According to you. Actually, violence is in the heart, which is the seat of the soul, all of which, and more, steers the mind’s thinking. Violence in self defence is not wrong. It is self preservation. Many who follow your book not my book claim that there is a commandment “Thou shall not kill”. This is a misrepresentation of the true wording ” Thou shall not murder”. So it is argued by some. God placed in us the command of self preservation. And Jesus placed in his disciples the command to turn the other cheek and to resist not one who does evil. In your book he gave the Jews the commandment to make sure they knew the difference. In that book, Jesus told the Jews, on the Two Great Commandments hung all the law and the prophets. You seem to have Moses confused with Jesus. I inherited this site from my wife, when she changed to a Mac and had to get a new site name. I made no attempt to hide my gender, although you sound a bit sexist to think it matters. Actually, I thought it was rank cowardice for you to carry on the way you did under someone else’s email handle, which was the occasion for my remark about hiding behind your mother’s, or your wife’s, skirt. Even yet you have not disclosed your name. As a result, my readers only know your wife’s name and email address. Perhaps you might wish to let her know that, in case she receives something from one of my readers. You did not ask me why those names appeared, you attacked me. For all you know, I could have been a woman married to another woman, a man with a sex change, or a man named Sue. I spoke of my wife, which shows I am not trying to hide anything. But you cannot logically counter my position, so you grasp at straws by trying to attack my character. You attacked your own character when you launched a full-bore attack on me to begin your peace mission. You remind me of George Zimmerman. He got in Trayvon Martin’s space, he was armed, he never thought that might not be a terribly peaceful thing to do? Yes, many men of peace speak of what they percieve as evil in that manner. I hope people like Stalin and Hitler are still suffering. Most likely, they are still suffering. I imagine George W. Bush will suffer for his invented invasion of Iraq, and for his stupid war in Afghanistan. I imagine Lyndon Johnson might still be suffering for Vietnam, which destroyed America’s soul and left it trying ever since to decisively win a war and reach atonement, which cannot be achieved in that way. You still believe that people do not have the right to defend themselves against evil. They do. I did not say people do not have the right to defend themselves. I said Christians who defend themselves with guns crucify Jesus. If they wish to live the way you preach, they should not claim Jesus as their ticket to heaven. I used Grannies with Guns to show you that old women still cherish their lives enough to want the abilty to defend themselve – something you find appauling. I don’t find them wanting to defend themselves appalling. What I find appalling is Christians behaving in that way. Like it or not, Christians are held to a much higher standard than people who do not claim Jesus as their ticket to God. Too bad they are not told that by Christian ministers, the Pope, etc. The Dali Lama wrote” if a man is being shot at, he would be a fool not to shoot back”. He is a man of peace that recognizes the validity of self defence. Ha! Did the Dalai Lama shoot back when the Chinese took Lasha? Nope. His Holiness fled to India with his entire entourage. From there he launched an international propaganda campaign aimed at the UN, America, the world, bringing pressure on the Chinese to give Tibet back to the Tibetans. He asked others to fight for him and the Tibetans. If Tibet had joined the UN after it was created, it could have called on UN help when the Chinese invasion came, which might have prevented the invasion from coming. If not, the UN, under its Charter, would have gone to Tibet’s aid, as the UN had gone to South Korea’s aid after the North Korean invasion. When the Tibetans asked the UN to save them from the Chinese, the UN said, so sorry, you are not a UN member. In another dimension, it was karma, it needed to happen, to drag the Tibetans out of their secular and spiritual isolation into the rest of the world where the Dalai Lama and other high lamas would share their spiritual and metaphysical ways, which were considerable and quite different from western ways. The Dalai Lama seems not yet able to grasp that he is supposed to let go of Tibet, let the Chinese have it, and move foward from there. A national example of dying and being born again, if the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans do it consciously. Otherwise, the point is missed, the lesson gets taught again in some way, if not in this life, then in another. You cannot drag the Dalai Lama into this discusison, if you do not also drag in the other dimensions in play. The other dimensions are in play in everything I experience, engage. Again, these are your experiences. Or actually they are your interpretations of experiences. Actually, they are my experiences. As I said, I am fine with your beliefs. Beliefs are just that, beliefs. Experiences are something else entirely. I am sorry you have suffered so much in your life. We agree there, and about 90 percent of it I brought on myself, just as George Zimmerman brought on himself what he now is experiencing. Neither you, nor George, can blame Trayon for any of it. George was the moving cause. Therefore, it all falls on his head karmically and spiritually. Yes, Trayvon has his own karma and spiritual consequences, which he cannot blame on George. That’s how it works beyond the first dimension. I can see why you struggle emotionally so much. The stand you ground law is a great law. But you still fail to see the facts. It does not apply when someone has no avenue to retreat. That was the law before the stand your ground law was passed. I am a lawyer. I understand the law of self defense and the stand your ground law. The stand your ground law encourages vigilantism, such as George Zimmerman got very close to committing, if he did not actually commit it. The stand your ground law lets rival gangs in Florida shoot it out, and the survivors claim they had to shoot back to stay alive. A Key West fellow got into a fist fight, got knocked down, then went home and got a pistol, came back and got into another argument with the other fellow, then drew the gun, the other fellow turned and ran, and the gunman shot him in the back and got off scott-free because the judge ruled the stand your ground law applied. Wonderful law you worship. Under the old law, the guy would have been prosecuted for attempted murder – the fleeing man was shot in the hip, as I recall, and eventually recovered. The State Attorney (District Attorney) down here in the Keys is a personal friend of mine. He was beside himself over that case. He says State Attorneys and police and sheriff departments all over Florida are pulling their hair out over insane dismissals of shooting cases based on the stand your ground law. He says they all are trying to get the stand your ground law repealed in Florida. Because of the stand your ground law, the State Attorney in the Sanford, Florida county did not want to prosecute Zimmerman. That’s why Governor Scott make a political appointment of a black State Attorney from a nearby county to investigate. Scott figured if she also did not prosecute, the outraged blacks would be happy, or at least somewhat subdued. Ancient wisdom I just invented: mess with a cluster fuck, you still have a cluster fuck. He sill would be released if the DA felt it was self defence, with or without the stand you ground law. That’s why there is no need for a stand your ground law. However, if the State Attorney for Sanford was not persuaded Zimmerman was not telling the whole truth, the lead detective certainly was not persuaded, the State Attorney very well might have prosecuted. So tell me what you think the definition of a cracker is. In Alabama and elsewhere in the South, it is a derogatory term for an indigenous white person, usually someone living in the country. In Georgia, it is both that and/or a term of affection for an indigenous white person – “a Georgia Cracker”. You are right about the affects of pot in the general population. In general I have seen most people become lazy and unmotivated. But I have seen people become very agitated and angry when they smoke it. As a doctor it is hard not to ascribe the same response to everyone based on statistical probability. It is hard to approach every case with innocent eyes. I do feel it would make more sense that the pot was not affecting him, thus his ability to react in a violent manner. But pot is mixed and changed so much today, it is hard to tell what else may be present. A doctor, you know someone who smokes pot once carries the chemical in the blood for close to a month. A doctor, you were reckless, or malicious, using Martin having traces of pot in his system to make him out to be a bad person. Hell, over half of Americans use pot regularly. Lots of medical doctors I have known used it. It isn’t anywhere close to as bad as as booze, other street drugs, or lots of what medical doctors’ prescribe. Zimmerman did stand down, he was returning to his vehicle, when approached and attacked. That’s Zimmerman’s story. It does not jive with the 911 transcript , where Zimmerman tells the 911 police dispatcher the suspect is running away and then says, “They always get away.” If Martin ran away, how was he following Zimmerman? Nor does Zimmerman’s account jive with the story told by Martin’s girlfriend, who was talking on her cell phone with Martin almost up to the end, according to what I saw reported. She was reported as saying Martin said someone was following him. When material facts in a criminal prosecution, or even in a civil case, are disputed, a jury decides what is what – unless something like a stand your ground law ursurps a jury even getting the case to consider. But, you are mistaken about having his gun drawn getting him into trouble. That’s your and Zimmerman’s story. If he feels in danger, he has every right to disuade an attack or be prepared for one by drawing his gun. Yeah, and it’s Zimmerman’s word against a dead man’s word about what happened. If Zimmerman has the gun drawn before Martin shows aggression, Zimmerman is the aggressor and Martin can use any means available to defend himself, including deadly force – under the stand your ground law, under the law before the stand our ground your law was passed. You are blind to any version of the facts but the version that agrees with you, because you are psychologically merged with Zimmerman, which makes it impossible for you to be objective about this case. Anglos is aderived from Angles a very specific Germanic tribe. That group doe not account for very much of the caucasian people. I used Anglos as plural for Anglo, which is slang for white people where I live. Yes, it derives from Anglo-Saxon, and from something earlier. You really are wound tight, Doctor. The word caucasian, which was adopted by the scientific community to mean white people is actually an incorrect term also. You are right about the Hawaiians use of the term haole. But they originally used it for any people that they felt were intruders. When caucasians became the controling group, it became the term for them. It further became one of those terms that can be used in either just a decriptive term or as a racial slur. I have no problem being called any derogitory term, because I have enough self worth to not let it bother me. Whites are not intruders, they are the winning side of a war. They took control by force. So, rape is not intrusion, huh? It’s just the result of losing a war. I don’t think I ever heard anything so absurd. King Kamehameha did the exact same thing to the islands of Oahu, Maui, Kuai, etc. He was a brutal murdering warrior, who wanted to rule all the islands. And I my mind I know that the Polynesians who first migrated to the islands, forced an indigenous population to subject to them. They mythisized them as the Minihuenes, but they were a real poplulation of micronesians. The last pocket were taken from Kuai by Spaniards, who promised them a better life – most likely in their South American gold mines (I know this is a very controversial theory). I do not follow your book, so I should be given a little more latitude in judging than you ( just kidding). You fucked up by saying Jesus told people it was okay to carry weapons to defend themselves. You followed that book. After that, I fed that book to you in spades, as your soul had invited me to do, knowing I would do it. Too bad medical training does not include soul instruction, because most medical troubles originate in the soul. My statements wound not sound as mean in person. It sounds like you do like to call it like you see it.You learned that when you read the article that incited you to attack me. I don’t have time, energy or patience to call it any way other than as I see it. If all people lived like that, there would be a lot fewer doctors, mental health professionals and ministers. I think anyone, who is trying their best to jerk us out of the money making scheme of racism, including all ethnicities, had a problem with the so-called leader of the country using that comparison. I did not know we would hit a solid block when I first posted.You hit solid rock bottom when you first posted a comment to goodmorningbirmingham.com. You are still there. America hit solid rock bottom during Vietnam, and it secured staying there when George W.A.R. Bush invaded Iraq. The final nail in the coffin was when Barack Obomber accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for waging two of Bush’s wars. As you stated earlier, in this case you a looking for a way that makes since to you. But you should only look at the evidence and say if that is possible, then we must go with it. I don’t know if they were angels. I have had visions and dreams that came true. I also assign that to angels, with which I have had thousands of experiences. Maybe they will start working with you when you are awake. If they do, it might leave you scratching your head about a lot of things you thought were cast in stone. Take care, and I hope your faith will keep the demons at bay, so you can wake up and say: It’s a beautiful day to be alive.” The angels, and doing what they give me to do in the way they tell me to do it, keep the demons somewhat away. They never are far away, though, because they really don’t care for what the angels assigned to me are about, and I am much easier for the demons to tweak, and worse, than are the angels. If the demons did not mess with me, if people did not attack me, I really would worry that I was messing up what I was given to engage. In this line of work, you don’t wake up thinking any day is a beautiful day to be alive. You wake up and get to work.
Once upon a time, I had a One Few Over the Cuckoo’s Nest experience because I told a real sho nuff Nurse Rachet about how I first met the angels and what they told me, and what they then did to me. Nurse Rachet had a twin-brother who was a psychiatrist, who was just as wound-tight. That, and how the angels finally rescued me from their clutches was the start of my field residency in psychiatry. Over the years, I treated a few psychiatrists, a few psychologists, a few clinical social workers, a few Jungian Analysts, a few psycholgical counselors, a few addiction counselors, a few ministers, a few natural and spiritual healers, and a few gurus. Maybe when I’m dead and gone, I will be able to look back over it with more appreciation than I now have.