The Great Chameleon – visual and hearing aids, and other Obama slick moves


From The Great Chameleon political front:
From: ObamaForAmerica@barackobama.com
To: Finance_info@argusarray.obama.local
Subject: The President wants to talk with you
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:35:05 +0000

Friend –

The President wants to talk with you. I suggest you get on the phone.
At 6:45 p.m. Eastern Time today, President Obama is speaking with some of his earliest supporters — people like you who played a huge part in building this movement from the start.
He’ll speak about the state of the race so far, about how this movement we built together has grown — and where it’s going from here.
He may also talk about some big news you may have heard yesterday.
You should be on this call.
Sign up for it here.
Once you RSVP, you’ll receive an email with instructions on how to join the conversation.We’re entering the home stretch of this campaign. We’ve been here before: This is where the rubber meets the road. Four years ago, we came together and made history, building a grassroots organization unlike any the country had ever seen.
There’s no question this campaign has brought new challenges, as well as new opportunities. We’re facing an unprecedented influx of outside money, and we need to close the gap between special interests and ordinary people.
We all need to pull together once again.
This is the President’s last campaign, and he appreciates everyone who has poured their hearts into this work for the past five years. I know he’s looking forward to speaking with you about this work, and what lies ahead.
Join President Obama for a special call at 6:45 p.m. Eastern Time today, Friday, June 29th.
http://my.barackobama.com/Early-Supporters
Thanks,
Obama for America


I opened the link, and saw an alleged simple question: 18+5, I was to answer to prove I was not spam. I finally figured out it was an addition question and entered 23, which would have allowed me to submit this question, if I had figured out the simple question before the deadline:

Will President Obama ever refund my $2,300 contribution made to his campaign in 2008?

23, $2,300 – coincidence? In my numero-cosmology, 2 is Jesus, 3 is The Holy Spirit, 5 is the feminine, which is an emanation of The Holy Spirit.

I made this simple-minded reply to the soliciting email:

Dear who/what-ever you are:

Here’s my landline, if President Obama really wants to talk with me.

305-872-8705, which is different to talking to me.

 
I tried to get candidate Obama to talk with me in the spring of 2008, after he kept saying he wanted a dialogue with his backers. All I got back was replies from artificial intelligences.
Finally, a human called me because, he said, I was one of the early financial contributors ($2,300 worth), to see if how I felt about how Obama was doing? I said I wanted my $2,300 back, and I told him why: I had been promised a dialogue with Obama and it didn’t happen. The human asked if I was serious? I said hell yeah, I was serious. I had been lied to. I wanted the $2,300 back, and I wanted off the artificial intelligence email mailings. The human said he would look into it and would get back to me.

Maybe two weeks later, the human called me back, said he had looked into it and he thought I would get the $2,300 back. I didn’t get it back. I kept getting artificial intelligence emails. Finally, I got that stopped by getting another human to reply.
After President Obama accepted the Nobel Peace prize for waging the two insane (should I have said evil?) wars of this predecessor, I had almost no bowel movements for a month. That ended after I had written several articles about him on my blog.

In one article, I wrote I had been told in my sleep that President Obama had the potential to be The Anti-Christ. Sometimes he comes to me in dreams. Usually, I’m dressing him down, or he’s seeking permission about something. Don’t know why we are linked in that way, other than he has $2,300 of my money he got by misrepresentation. Perhaps his ditching Jeremiah Wright is in play. I seriously doubt Wright would have approved the continuation of the Bush wars, or accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, which was unconscionable.

A woman acquaintance who read my ravings and still had stars in her eyes for President Obama, and actually had received a personal letter from him, she said, told me I should write to him. So I wrote him a handwritten level explaining all of the above and perhaps more, I don’t remember it all now. I mailed it to President Obama at the White House. Not even an artificial intelligence replied to that letter.

Now here I am getting yet another artificial intelligence email. I wonder if my reply will even be seen by a human, much less read? If it is read, tell the President I still want to talk with him. I’m not one of the dummies he’s trying to persuade. I thought his predecessor worked for the devil, and his entire administration, too. Maybe President Obama and I can have a real conversation, the kind two men have who put aside the posturing and pretensing and simply be real.

Who knows, maybe I will hear or be shown something in my sleep, which might be helpful to America, if President Obama used it. Maybe I will hear or be shown something in my sleep which might be helpful to President Obama politically or personally. I already heard he should have stayed out of the Trayvon Martin tragedy. And US AG Eric Holder should have stayed out of it, too.

Won’t surprise me if America has a civil war, if Zimmerman gets off. Won’t surprise me if whites flee to Romney in the meantime, fearing what will happen to them if President Obama remains in office.

Are you familiar with The Curse of Cain, which the Mormons claim they abandoned in the early 1970s as a doctrine in their theology? If not, you should google and read about it. Right up the KKK and Neo-Nazis’ alley.

Sloan Bashinsky
Little Torch Key, Florida
That would be in the Florida Keys, aka The Asteroid Belt

The artificial intelligence sent this back:

Your registration is confirmed for the following conference:
“National Call with President Obama”
Call-In Number: +1 (949) 202-1057
Your PIN: 602871#
Please do not share this PIN; it is unique to you.
Please send your questions, comments and feedback to:

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Made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. What you wanna bet I hear from a human?

sloanbashinsky@hotmail.com

George Zimmerman videos and hand-written statement made public

George Zimmerman

From Nashville J yesterday.
 
Sloan:
 
Just FYI as to Zimmerman’s story.
 
Also, I heard the missing person 911 report that Martin’s father made a day after Martin was killed. It just unbelievable to me that the police did not notify the family that he had been killed. It could simply be that they tried but since Martin’s father was in Sanford, instead of Miami, they did not know how to locate him. Guess we will learn that at some point.
 
 
J
 
There are brief commercials before each video in the link.
 
 
 
 
I was unable to open George Zimmerman’s hand-written statement, but found it online using this link:
 
 
Here is the printed commentary from the link J provided:
 
By
PIERRE THOMAS (@PierreTABC) and SENI TIENABESO (@senijr_abc)
SANFORD, Fla. June 21, 2012
“He took my head and slammed it against the concrete several times, and each time I thought my head was going to explode and I thought I was going to lose consciousness,”
George Zimmerman told police the day after he shot and killed Trayvon Martin.
“I started screaming for help,” but Martin pressed his hands over Zimmerman’s mouth and nose, he said. “He told me to shut the f&#k up, and I was suffocating.”
Zimmerman told police he was lying on the ground, but his head was on the concrete.
“I didn’t want him to keep slamming my head on the concrete so I kind of shifted. But when I shifted my jacket came up…and it exposed my firearm. That’s when he said you are going to die tonight. He took one hand off my mouth, and slid it down my chest. I took my gun aimed it at him and fired.”
The latest and most detailed account yet of what happened in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26 comes from a voice stress test that Zimmerman passed, along with a video re-enactment, a handwritten statement and audio interviews conducted in the days after the shooting by investigators.
The material was released by Zimmerman’s attorney today on the website
gzlegalcase.com, a website managed by the Zimmerman defense team.
The relatively consistent statements portray a man trying to convince investigators that he was in a life and death struggle that left him with little choice but to kill the unarmed teenager.
The documents also show that in the days following the shooting, the
lead investigator was not accepting Zimmerman’s version of events and recommended that charges be filed against Zimmerman.
“I shot him, and I didn’t think I hit him because he sat up and said, ‘Oh you got me. You got me, you got it,’” said Zimmerman during a nearly 20-minute re-enactment shot by investigators at the scene of the shooting the next day.
In the video Zimmerman, 28, gives a blow by blow description of how the fight began and depicts Martin as the aggressor, a key point as his legal team builds his defense on Florida’s controversial “stand your ground” law.
Zimmerman said he was driving to buy groceries when he spotted the unarmed teen walking near a house that he knew Martin did not live in and called police to report a suspicious person.
“I just felt like something was off about him…and there’s been a history of break-ins … so I said you know just better to call. I kept driving and I passed him, and he kept staring at me and staring around,” Zimmerman said.
He took investigators to the house where he first spotted the teen and got on the phone with police. At that point he says he lost sight of Martin.
With bandages clearly visible on the back of his head and nose in the video, he took investigators through the neighborhood showing them where he was when the responder told him that he did not have to follow Martin. Zimmerman says by the time of the request he was no longer in his car and wanted to figure out exactly where he was in the subdivision, so that the officer dispatched to the scene could find him.
“I was walking back. I didn’t see anything again, came back to my truck and when I got to right about here, he yelled from behind to me.”
“He said, ‘Yo, you got a problem?’ and I turned around and said no I don’t have a problem,” said Zimmerman.
“I went to grab my cell phone, but I left it in a different pocket. I looked down at my pants pocket, he said, ‘You got a problem now’ and then he was here and he punched me in the face,” said Zimmerman, throwing a punch near his own face to illustrate.
“I think I stumbled and I fell down, he pushed me down, somehow he got on top of me… I was trying to push him away from me. He got on top of me somewhere around here, and that’s when I started screaming for help. I started screaming HELP as loud as I could. I tried to sit up. That’s when he grabbed me by the head and he tried to slam my head down,” Zimmerman said.
“He kept slamming and slamming, and I kept yelling HELP, HELP, HELP as loud as I could,” he said.
In the voice stress test video, which begins with a bandaged Zimmerman commenting to an officer on the high price of health insurance as a reason he was hesitant to get treatment the night of the shooting, he later calmly questioned an officer about what she did on the force.
But in a Feb. 29 interrogation, lead investigator Chris Serino openly doubts the story.
“You ever hear of Murphy’s law?” asks Serino. “This person was not doing anything bad. You know the name of the person that died?”
“Tavon,” responds Zimmerman
“Trayvon,” Serino shot back.
“Trayvon Martin” responds Zimmerman.
“Trayvon Benjamin Martin…He was 17…A kid with a future,” said Serino. “In his possession we found a can of ice tea and a bag of Skittles. And $40 in cash. Not the goon.”
Serino then peppered Zimmerman about if he had any law enforcement experience, and why he deemed Martin suspicious and decided to follow him.
“You know you are going to come under a lot of scrutiny over this, correct?” asks Serino. “Had this person been white would you have felt the same way?”
“Yes,” responded Zimmerman.
Serino then questioned the extent of Zimmerman’s injuries telling him that they don’t seem consistent with someone involved in a life or death struggle. A medical report obtained earlier by ABC News revealed that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and two lacerations on the back of his head.
Another investigator then asked why didn’t he just identify himself as a member of the local neighborhood watch. Both investigators then ask if it was raining outside, and if he decided not to follow Martin after the non-emergency dispatcher asked him to get back in the car why didn’t he.
“You wanted to catch him. You wanted to catch the bad guy,” said Serino aggressively later in the interview, implying that it was Zimmerman who instigated the altercation.
Lead investigator Serino later recommended that manslaughter charges be brought up against Zimmerman, but Seminole County State’s Attorney Norm Wolfinger rejected the request citing a lack of solid evidence. The initial lack of an arrest in the case led to widespread protests, and propelled the case into the national headlines. In April, special prosecutor Angela Corey appointed by Florida Gov. Rick Scott charged Zimmerman with second degree murder.
The Martin family issued a statement today through their lawyer Benjamin Crump.
“When you look at the hand-written statement written by George Zimmerman on the night of the shooting that he did before he talks to lawyers, his words, and take that into consideration with the audio statements, the witness interviews, and the previously released evidence, it is clear to us why Angela Corey charged George Zimmerman with second degree murder,” the family said.

My thoughts:

George Zimmerman seems pretty consistent in the two videos, in telling what he says happened before he shot Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman also is consistent in leaving out of the telling that he told the 911 police dispatcher: they always get away, and later the person he was observing was running away.
 
In Zimmerman’s handwritten statement and video statements, Martin accosted Zimmerman as he neared his vehicle. For me, that does not really jive with the location of the shooting. Nor with the 911 recording – the suspect was running away, nor with the statement of Trayvon’s girlfriend who was talking on the phone with him when the altercation occurred. From her statement, it was Zimmerman following Martin. Don’t know if the girlfriend’s report of that phone call can be gotten into evidence at trial, but it got into evidence in my mind.
 
In the handwritten statement, Zimmerman called the number he had earlier been told by the police to call if he saw a crime in progress, related to a break-in situation Zimmerman had called in. Zimmerman had been given another number to call if he was only suspicious of something he saw. Zimmerman called 911, the number he had been told to call for a crime in progress. Did that indicate Zimmerman believed the person he was observing was a crime in progress? The 911 call transcript reads like Zimmerman believed Martin was up to no good.
 
The police detective Serino, sounds of Italian descent, probably white, did not believe Zimmerman was telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Maybe Serino knew the polygraph results, which I doubt will be released before the trial, if ever. Maybe Serino saw inconsistencies in Zimmerman’s 911 recording, the reenactment and polygraph videos, and the hand-written statement. Maybe Serino saw “tells” in Zimmerman’s speech, facial and body movements, which caused Serino to feel Zimmerman was not telling it all. Experienced investigators are pretty good at sensing if someone is leveling or shading.
 
I won’t ever get out of my mind that the Zimmermans were not entirely candid with the trial judge at the bond hearing re their finances. Don’t see how that can be gotten into evidence in Zimmerman’s murder 2 trial, but it got into evidence in my mind.
 
We only have Zimmerman’s word he drew his gun after Martin started trying to kill him; that Martin saw the gun on Zimmerman’s back right hip and said Zimmerman was going to die that night. I still can’t swallow that story. Serino didn’t seem to swallow it, either.
 
I wonder if Zimmerman would have even gotten out of his car, if he wasn’t packing.
 
Zimmerman only needs to convince one juror his side of it is what happened, to get a hung jury. I’m thinking I will be surprised if the trial judge rules the Stand Your Ground Law applies. I’m thinking the judge will let the jury decide if it was self defense, murder 2, or manslaughter if that is a lesser-included offense.
 
I wrote a while back that I thought the lead investigator had the best angle on it, manslaughter. There is no ignoring the grilling Serino gave Martin.
 
“You ever hear of Murphy’s law?” asks Serino. “This person was not doing anything bad. You know the name of the person that died?”
“Tavon,” responds Zimmerman
“Trayvon,” Serino shot back.
“Trayvon Martin” responds Zimmerman.
“Trayvon Benjamin Martin…He was 17…A kid with a future,” said Serino. “In his possession we found a can of ice tea and a bag of Skittles. And $40 in cash. Not the goon.”
Serino then peppered Zimmerman about if he had any law enforcement experience, and why he deemed Martin suspicious and decided to follow him.
“You know you are going to come under a lot of scrutiny over this, correct?” asks Serino. “Had this person been white would you have felt the same way?”
“Yes,” responded Zimmerman.
Serino then questioned the extent of Zimmerman’s injuries telling him that they don’t seem consistent with someone involved in a life or death struggle. A medical report obtained earlier by ABC News revealed that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and two lacerations on the back of his head.
Another investigator then asked why didn’t he just identify himself as a member of the local neighborhood watch. Both investigators then ask if it was raining outside, and if he decided not to follow Martin after the non-emergency dispatcher asked him to get back in the car why didn’t he.
“You wanted to catch him. You wanted to catch the bad guy,” said Serino aggressively later in the interview, implying that it was Zimmerman who instigated the altercation.
 
And there is no ignoring these excerpts from the 911 Zimmerman transcript:
 
Zimmerman:
We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.
This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?
 
Sloan note: online, several news reports that this question from the dispatcher was edited out of an NBC news report to make it look like Zimmerman’s answer was volunteered and was racial profiling – three NBC employees were fired over that.

Zimmerman:
He looks black.
911 dispatcher:
Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s jus staring. [00:42]
911 dispatcher:
He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.
Zimmerman:
Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]
911 dispatcher:
OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?
Zimmerman:
That’s the clubhouse.
911 dispatcher:
He’s near the clubhouse now?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.
And he’s a black male.[1:03]
911 dispatcher:
How old would you say he is?
Zimmerman:
He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.
911 dispatcher:
Late teens?
Zimmerman:
Uh, huh.
Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.
He’s got something in his hands. i don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]
911 dispatcher:
Let me know if he does anything, OK?
Zimmerman:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman:
OK.
These ********. They always get away.
When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]
911 dispatcher:
OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?
Zimmerman:
Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.
He’s running [2:08]
911 dispatcher:
He’s running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman:
Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher:
OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:
The back entrance.
 
Sloan note: Here, it sounds like Zimmerman says something under his breath, which apparently was unintelligible and has been the cause of much speculation. The FBI was unable to determine what it was, or that Zimmerman made a racial slur.

911 dispatcher:
Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman:
Yeah. [2:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
Zimmerman:
Ok. [2:28]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]
Zimmerman:
George. He ran.
 
If Martin ran, why did he come back? Makes no sense to me. Zimmerman following after Martin makes sense to me.
 
Can’t begin to imagine how horrible this is for Trayvon Martin’s parents.
 
 

two ex-lawyers ponder American presidents’ assassination powers, murder disguised as war, pain, life, children, the awful grace of God …

 


Ex-lawyers Tim and Sloan ponder American presidents’ assassination power, murder disguised as war, pain, life, children and the awful grace of God …

Tim
Ever read this:

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”

George Orwell

Although I must say that I am very disturbed that the President can order the assassination of American citizens (perhaps I should say anyone) with no kind of check on that power.

Sloan
Been a long time since I slept peaceably in my bed at night, it was October 7, 2006 to be precise. Before that, it was way back in time. Can’t say how it would be if I lived in, say, Africa, Syria, mainland China, N. Korea, Russia.

I imagine the US President always has had the power to order the assassination of American citizens, have not read the law, in certain situations. Which brings the question, who gave him that power? Congress, yes? And who elected the Congress who gave him that power? We the People, right?

Tim
I do not believe you are correct. It would be interesting to determine the source of the presidential power. As I recall there were curbs placed on US assassinations after the revelations of the CIA plots to assassinate Castro. So something has changed since then.

Sloan
After sending mine to you, I saw I had left out some words.

I think US presidents always have ordered wet work, regardless of legality.

I understand something changed recently allowing the president to do it legally in some situations? If so, do you know what enabled that? Was it a new law? A new fiat?

If it came to be, who went along with it coming to be, or passed the law letting it come to be – Congress?

And who elected Congress? We the People.

Tim
Yes I think it is worth researching how the change came about.

Whether Presidents did it before re US citizens I am unsure of.

But there certainly were times we at least tried to assassinate foreign leaders.

TIM

Sloan
Waco, Texas – Branch Davidians

Kent State – students protesting expansion of Vietnam war into Cambodia, wasn’t it?

Not quite on topic, but pretty close.

Tim
Add to that Ruby Ridge.
There are rather convincing reports that before his presidency LBJ used a man named Mac Wallace to kill at least one investigator. No question that Wallace existed and was indeed a murderer. My thoughts on LBJ are so mixed. Caro’s books show how corrupt he was but his civil rights legislation was so important for our country.

Sloan
Now that you dragged LBJ into it, I’ll add Vietnam. I remember watching him promising on TV that he would never send American boys to die in a war in Asia.

I read something maybe two years ago now, making a case for LBJ having ordered the murder of President Kennedy. Don’t recall the details now, but the sense of what I remember was LBJ felt slighted by Kennedy. I have read Kennedy got in dutch with bad folks when he chilled on Vietnam and more than chilled at Bay of Pigs.

Tim
There are indeed many people who believe LBJ was behind the JFK hit, altho I do not think I do. BUT I recently read that after the assassination Jackie made tape recordings with Arthur Schlesinger that were to be sealed for 50 years after her death but will now be released ths fall. According to a British paper, Jackie told Schlesinger she thought LBJ was behind her husband’s murder–which may not prove anything since it was only her suspicion.

LBJ certainly had motive. He was under criminal investigation at the time and many reports say JFK intended to dump him from the ticket.

Bye for now–more later–off to work.

I am in a new book that will be reviewed in Solares next Sunday, I will send you the draft, then quit. The reviewer by the way is a proponent of the LBJ did it theory.

Sloan
I think I explained before that Solares Hill book reviews are a sore subject with me. The novel Mark Howell reviewed, only to have Tom Tuell kill the review, was written by something far bigger and beyond me. After I the book was done falling out of me, I was sure it was my ticket to a normal life, from the making money off it sense. Ha!

Once upon a time I married a woman who had been one of the students at Kent State, sitting in a protest circle on the ground, when the Ohio National Guard opened fire on them. Those not shot got up and ran with the National Guardsmen in pursuit, shooting. When the feeling pod of students veered right, she veered left and nobody chased her. The National Guardsmen were not prosecuted. She never got over it. Never trusted government or police again. Can’t say I blamed her. She was the muse for the novel Mark reviewed. I never saw what he wrote.

I continue to see Vietnam as a mortal wound to the soul of America. That failed military (corporate) misadventure provided the fuel for all future American foreign military adventures via unconscious attempt to atone by winning a war of substance. GW Bush was as bad as LBJ. Obama joined that infamous duo when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize while waging two GW Bush wars – unconscionable.

Personally, the angels who ride hard on my hide and soul scare me a lot worse than the US Government scares me. They really roughed me up today, which is Father’s Day (2012). What ever possesses people to want to be close to God is beyond my comprehension.

It also became beyond the comprehension of the woman who became the muse for the novel. The angels pulverized us, and when neither of us could take any more, they sent me to the Keys from Maui. That was late 2000.

I’ve been mostly marinating here ever since, although there were a few adventures in North Georgia, Birmingham, and a few other places I’d like to forget.

Tim
I am so sorry for bringing up a sore subject.

What do you think of this quote by Aeschylus? It was a favorite of RFK:

He who learns must suffer
And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget
Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
And in our own despair, against our will,
Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.

Historical Note: This was quoted by Robert F. Kennedy in his speech announcing the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. on 4 April 1968. His version:

Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget
falls drop by drop upon the heart
until, in our own despair, against our will,
comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.

It struck me that this seems so close to what you write about the angels beating you up?

It is certainly an interesting quote. I too have some very deep pains, including a bitter divorce and my daughter being estranged from me.

Sloan

Yeah, the awful grace of God sums it up pretty darn well. Maybe angels were beating JFK up, certainly he was put to very rough tests in Cuban Missile Crisis, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam. God tests us in different ways, depending on where we live, our station, circumstances.
 
I know well the pain you describe. Loves lost. Three children lost, one by death, two by their own choice. I did not even remember yesterday was Father’s Day until someone called and reminded me, an “adopted” daughter. Then, she asked me to give her some more money. I have supported her since the summer of 2005 and I figured that was why she really called. I usually get angel-hammered extra hard on special days like birthdays, US government holidays, solstices, All Hallows Eve, Valentine’s, wedding anniversaries, Mother’s Day and Father’s Day. Yesterday was brutal until dark.
The US Open was brutal on a heap of world-class golfers. Grown men broken at the knees by that seriously wicked golf course with narrow fairways, dense roughs, ice greens that sloped toward hell and were nearly impossible to read and judge distance. The winner won by being the least over par after 72 holes – one over. Tiger Woods was crushed the last day. He had lots of company before that, and more company yesterday. Grown men wept. A 25-year-old with a homemade swing shot 2 under par each of the last two rounds and from out of nowhere overtook the pack of legends and rising stars. I was glad he won, I like him. He won’t have to qualify for a tour event for a long time, will get automatic invitations to the majors. He made a bundle yesterday, and God only knows what that did to jack up his product endorsements. 

Tim
A pretty interesting article

A bit too interesting. I learned in law school, and again when I clerked for a US District Judge, and even again when I practiced law, that due process means you get to face your accusers and put on your own evidence and be represented by your own lawyer and you get to do it in a tribunal, legal or administrative, provided by law, and if you don’t like the outcome, you can appeal to a court of law.
To me, this is not about due process at all. It is about war. The American President has broader powers during wartime, if war has been formally declared. Did Congress approve the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Did Congress approve a general war against Al Qaeda? Those are relevant questions. As is the Geneva Convention. Is the US still bound by it?

All tillitating, but in reality, Tim, it goes back to what I said in the beginning. I wager American presidents going way back have ordered clandestine hits on people deemed to be national threats, be they foreign or American citizens. I think it is naive to believe otherwise. Does that make it right? Probably not. But it is a realistic perspective.

Holder seems focused on Al Quaeda, not on, say, the KKK, Neo Nazis or the New Black Panthers. I don’t agree with Holder, but every Republican in America probably does, if not openly, then secretly.

And that’s the rub, isn’t it? President Obama is just as big, if not even a bigger hawk than was GW Bush. Obama has trumped the Republican’s strongest card: National Defense. Leaving them hollering about the economy. Whether Republicans like it or not, they and GW Bush handed Obama a serious economic mess.

Yeah, Obama made it worse, but don’t you think John McCain also would have made it worse? Maybe not in the same ways Obama made it worse, but in Republican ways McCain would have made it worse. Deep down inside I bet Viet vet prisoner of war hero McCain loves Eric Holder and Barack Obama’s pursuit of Al Qaeda afar and near.

:-)

 
Tim
Well written as always, Sloan.

But I as a Republican believes this goes too far.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if POTUS had to seek a legal order for an execution and target had to come to court to resist it? At least there would be some judicial review and if the target came to court he could be arrested!
I think if I was Romney I’d go after Obama on this. I think he could applaud the war on terror so as not to alienate his base yet possibly pick up some votes from the ACLU.
Here is what I think is the salient paragraph from the article:
To recap Barack Obama’s view: it is a form of “terror” for someone to be detained “without even getting one chance to prove their innocence,” but it is good and noble for them to be executed under the same circumstances.
 
To recap Eric Holder’s view: we must not accept when the Bush administration says “just trust us” when it comes to spying on the communications of accused Terrorists, but we must accept when the Obama administration says “just trust us” when it comes to targeting our fellow citizens for execution.
As it turns out, it’s not 9/11/01 that Changed Everything. It’s 1/20/09.
 
I was estranged from my daughter when he court allowed her mom to move to Missouri.

 
I did not even get a call from her!
(I had been a stay-at-home Dad and raised her until she was about five, all the time working full time a night shift.
Sunday was a sad, sad day for me.
Can hardly get over the pain!
 
Sloan
Of course, it goes too far. At least it seems only aimed at al Qaeda operatives, American or foreign, although that’s pretty subjective and surely opens the door to whatever unimaginable horrors. In it’s present evolution, though, it’s only a flea on an elephant’s butt compared to Vietnam and GW Bush’s wars. But does that change in, say, 10 or 20 years? America collapses from within. Marshall law imposed. Habeas corpus denied. 1984 actualized. Never would have thought that would have started with the Democrats. But then, GW Bush used Guantanamo in much that way, didn’t he? I certainly didn’t trust GW, or his father. I don’t trust Obama. I don’t trust Republicans. I don’t trust Democrats. I don’t trust any religions to do anything good on a reliable basis, and for sure the Republicans and the Democrats are religions. Why don’t you just call youself a person, or a human being? Or even a man?
 
I handled some very rough child custody cases. Not something I’d want to do for very long. Don’t think there is any getting over the pain of that kind of soul trauma. Today is my oldest daughter’s 44th birthday. Haven’t heard from her since early 2000. Saw her at my father’s wake, her sister there, too. They came all the way down from Kentucky to Birmingham. Were staying with her mother and her husband in Tuscaloosa. Tried to arrange to drive down for a lunch or dinner before they headed back to Kentucky. Their mother said they had too much to do, not enough time. I saw the younger one Christmas 1999, in Tuscaloosa. She and her sister there the Christmas before. They both have two children. I never met the younger one’s kids. The older one’s oldest knew me, but the younger was an infant the one time I saw her. I was shown by their mother’s father in a dream about two weeks ago what was the cause of the estrangement. Something the angels told me in the summer of 2000, something awful, not about me, which I was told to spread around. See no way that will ever be overcome. You never get over that kind of pain. Sorry for yours. You now see your daughter some, yes?
 
Tim
Cerainly agree that party discipline asks way too much.

 
I do not think GB was authorizing targeted kills as Obama is.
As the saying goes, power corrupts! (Lord Acton as I know you know).
 
Last saw my daughter for only about ten days last summer.

I talk to her about twice a week on the phone.
The pain of losing her does not go away.
And I lose half my income to child support, and her mon owns a time share in Orlando and they have no money for her college, and she is very bright
Thanks for your story as well, Sloan.
 
Sloan
G.W. Bush authorized mass target kills in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sorry, I’m a great deal more jolted by that kind of presidential murder, because of the numbers of dead, maimed, disappeared, displaced, traumatic-shocked, etc., on both sides.
 
Actually, I don’t know ding squat about Lord Acton, but I know power corrupts. Looks to me everything changed for America when it started messing around in Vietnam. It was tenous before that, the Cold War, but a line was crossed with Vietnam, a line which never got uncrossed. We have the Democrats to thank for Vietnam, and the Republicans to thank for the later Vietnams.
 
Sometimes I dream about my daughters and wake up in convulsive sobbing with my heart feeling like it’s being ripped out of my body. Sometimes I wake up wailing like a wounded animal.
 
A trust my grandfather had set up for me when I was young paid my daughters’ child support until they were eighteen, when I didn’t have to pay child support anymore and stopped the payments. He left them money, too. They both went to Bryn Mawr, which was about like going to Princeton, which was my grandfather’s alma mater. One became an eye surgeon and medical school professor, one became a wife and mother. Didn’t matter to me what they became, as long as it was what they wanted.
 
I always told them when they said they didn’t know what they should do when they got older, to follow their heart, it would take them where they needed to go. I never pushed them academically. And eventually I quit pushing them about anything. Wasn’t my place. Alas, what the angels turned me into and had me do pushed my daughters plenty hard; pushed women I loved plenty hard; pushed friends plenty hard; pushed me a lot worse than plenty hard.
 
A very different discipline than is required in schools, the military, political parties, religion. A discipline imposed from that which there is no escape. Plenty of stories of that discipline in the Bible, but darn if I come across anyone besides Sandy Downs who seems to get what pushes me.
 
Tim
Sometimes I dream about my daughters and wake up in convulsive sobbing with my heart feeling like it’s being ripped out of my body. Sometimes I wake up wailing like a wounded animal.


Oh, Sloan, I know just what you mean!! Ditto!! More on the political issues later. I look forward to reading GMFK every a.m.

 
 

 

new evidence released – Martin-Zimmerman

 
 
Yesterday from Nashville J:
 
Sloan, new evidence released in Martin-Zimmerman case:
 
 
 
By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SENI TIENABESO (@senijr_abc) and COLLEEN CURRYMay 17, 2012

Two police reports written the night that

George Zimmermanshot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman’s version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.

It has been such a contentious case that even the evidence is being disputed.

The police report states that

Trayvon Martin’s fathertold an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man’s voice frantically calling for help that it was not his son calling for help.But Tracy Martin, Trayvon’s father, claims that is not true. The Martin family lawyer Ben Crump told ABC News that Tracy Martin initially listened to a distorted version of the 911 calls and said he could not identify the voice. But when he listened to a second tape that had been “cleaned,” “He immediately broke down in tears because he knew it was his son calling for help,” Crump said.

The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American.

Trayvon Martin, 17, was fatally shot by neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman.

Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man who volunteered for the neighborhood watch committee who claimed that he shot Martin in self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman’s gun.

The documents start with a criticism of Zimmerman’s decision to follow the teenager, who Zimmerman said was looking suspicious.

“The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement,” an investigating officer wrote.

Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin.

Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a battered nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his “facial area was bloodied,” and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.

“Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head,” Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.

Another officer wrote, “I saw that Zimmerman’s face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken.”

Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman’s version of what happened.

“He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style,’” the police report of the witness said. “He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass.”

A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.

The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight.

Yet another witness described the confrontation in emotional terms.

The witness heard “someone yelling, almost crying. Then I heard a gunshot.” The witness wrote that he or she “saw a man on top of a guy laying on the ground. He was putting his hands on his neck or chest.”

The man asked the witness to call 911.

“He stood up and took a couple steps away and put his hands on his head and then walked back over to the guy on the ground. He looked at him for a minute, then started to walk away toward the road. That is when the police walked up,” the witness wrote.

The lead investigator on the case, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard “yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin.”

Martin’s death sparked public outrage after police released Zimmerman without any criminal charges for the killing. Zimmerman was later charged with second-degree murder, and the killing provoked widespread debate about racial profiling.

The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman’s claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle.

Martin’s autopsy report also revealed that there was a quarter-inch by half-inch abrasion on the left fourth finger of Martin, another indication of a possible struggle.

The teen, who lived in Miami, was in Sanford while serving a suspension for an empty marijuana bag discovered in his possession. Martin had THC, the drug found in marijuana, in his blood on the night of his death, according to the autopsy. His family told ABC News that it was “trace amounts” of THC.

 
My thoughts:
 
Finally, a national news service used contemporary photos of Martin and Zimmerman. You can tell a lot by looking into a person’s eyes. I don’t care for either set of eyes, for different reasons. However, eyes and news reports will not determine the outcome of this horrible case. A judge, and perhaps a jury, will determine the outcome, just like what happened in the Rodney King criminal trial of several white L.A. PD police officers.
 
J replied:
I continue to have problems convicting Zimmerman with the evidence that has been presented – nothing supports anything other than what Zimmerman said happened. Am I missing something? How do they charge him with second degree murder and how does the judge accept it IF he was aware of all this evidence??
J
 
I replied:
If the jury believes Zimmerman ignored the police dispatcher and continued following Martin, which Zimmerman says is not how it happened – the objective evidence I have seen in the news supports Zimmerman continued to follow Martin; if the jury believes Zimmerman is a liar on that point; if the jury believes Zimmerman followed Martin with gun drawn, or even in plain view, say in his front waist band …Then, the jury might think, hmmm, “Martin was in fear of his life and did what he felt was the the best thing for him to do, which was to jump Zimmerman and kill him. Lethal self defense attempt by Martin required by Zimmerman’s lethal-threatening behavior.”

It might be hard for Zimmerman to persuade the jury he shot Martin in self defense, if the jury believes Zimmerman lied about breaking off the chase.

I think it’s traditionally hard to use self defense, if you were the aggressor all along.

That’s why I think the Florida Stand Your Ground Law was passed. To let people do just what Zimmerman did, be vigilantes. Not have to retreat. That’s NRA bible and verse. KKK and Neo-Nazi bible and verse. And New Black Panthers bible and verse.

If the trial judge rules The Stand Your Ground Law applies, Zimmerman skates, subject to the Special Prosecutor appealing the trial judge’s decision.

If the trial Judge rules the Stand Your Ground Law does not apply, Zimmerman can appeal that, but perhaps not until after the jury trial and verdict.

If Zimmerman gets acquitted, that’s the end of it, unless the Special Prosecutor appeals, arguing judicial error in ruling on the law and evidence, and or jury instructions on the law and evidence. Very rare for the Prosecution to appeal, almost unheard of.

If the jury convicts Zimmerman, he can appeal that based on various arguments his lawyer will use, including The Stand Your Ground Law should have been applied.

But for the fact that it appears Zimmerman lied about breaking off the chase, I would bet on him being acquitted by a jury. Not ever a good thing for a criminal defendant to be viewed as a liar by a jury.

P.S. Questions of fact, such as, did Zimmerman lie about breaking off the chase, are the jury’s domain. In my experience, trial judges do not interfere with juries’ right to hear and weigh the evidence, unless there is no reasonable interpretation of the evidence that supports conviction. In this case, Zimmerman has made the colossal blunder of giving the judge the impression Zimmerman is a liar, re his finances at the original bond and bail hearing. I can’t imagine this judge taking this case away from a jury, unless he rules the Stand Your Ground Law applies. Given what I have seen of it seeming Zimmerman did not break off the chase after being asked to do so by the police dispatcher, were I the judge, I would not apply the Stand Your Ground Law and I would let the jury decide whether Zimmerman is guilty of murder 2.
 
J replied:
 
Well, he was not chasing Martin – he only got out and followed so he could see what residence he went into so he could tell the police. Or at least that is the story he gave the police.
 
I agree 100% that it was incredibly stupid to not tell the judge about the defense fund $$$$. Not sure what they expected to accomplish by doing that. The Bail company said they would still do his bail at the new hearing as Zimmerman had complied with all the conditions in the original bail.
 
Time will tell, we just have to wait and see.
 
I replied:
 
Hard for me to imagine Martin trying to kill Zimmerman, if Martin did not think Zimmerman a clear and present lethal threat.You seem to have joined others in ignoring Zimmerman apparently ignored the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin after telling the dispatcher he would stop following Martin. Were I the judge, or a juror, that would be weighing heavy on my mind. As would any lies I perceived coming out of Zimmerma’s mouth about how it went down that night. I make all sorts of unappetizing leaps in my dealings with people, when I find them not telling me the truth.

I just now forwarded you something very serious from Sancho Panza, who accuses you of being a racist. He says you doctored the CNN Rodney King report, to make it a non-white jury, instead of an all white jury, which did not convict any of the white L.A. cops. He sent the CNN report, which he claims is the actual report. I need your reply to that forward. Thanks

 
From Sancho Panza to me:
 
You never called out the racist “J” for falsifying the CNN report about an ALL BLACK JURY… au contraire, you keep on pandering to him by publishing his mephistophelean distortions on your blog! Why?! How are you any different from the ones you’ve Black Evil Four in taking advantage of others’ misfortune to get some attention from your intended audience? Rhetorical question… no need for you to answer!This is what “J” sent to you(and you published):

“But following a three-month trial in the predominantly white Los Angeles suburb of Simi Valley, three of the officers were acquitted of all charges. The jury, which had no white members, deadlocked on one charge of excessive force against Powell, and a mistrial was declared on that charge”

Thia is the actual CNN report:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/28/us/rodney-king-profile/index.html

“Four LAPD officers — Theodore Briseno, Laurence Powell, Timothy Wind and Sgt. Stacey Koon — were indicted on charges of assault with a deadly weapon and excessive use of force by a police officer.
In April 1992, after a three-month trial in the predominantly white suburb of Simi Valley, three of the officers were acquitted of all charges. But the jury, which had no black members, was deadlocked on one charge of excessive force against Powell. A mistrial was declared on that charge.”
He who “lies” with pigs……
 
From Nashville J:
 
Concerning the email from Sancho:
 
I certainly did not falsify the CNN report about an all Black Jury. The blog which I first saw it mentioned is the one I forwarded – as it was – and not altered by me. I even sent the CNN link when I found the whole article because the first one I sent only had part of it.
 
I have gone back to the full CNN link and see that it was in fact an all WHITE Jury and not an all BLACK jury as the original blog said. I certainly did not intend to put out incorrect information, but I it appears as the original story was changed by someone – not me tho. I apologize for not catching it when I sent the entire original link and will not send anything in the future that does not have the original link with it.
 
As far as being a “racist” and the “devil”, I don’t qualify as either to most people but and have never been called either until now, guess there is always a first.
 
Again, I do apologize for sending you something that appears to have been altered by the original blog and bringing into question your blog by responding to something I sent.
 
Regards,
J
I replied to J:
 
Am copying yours to Sancho, with this reply.

I did not remember much about Rodney King’s trial, other than wondering how the white cops didn’t get convicted after getting caught on video beating King to a pulp.
I did not remember the jury makeup, but I could have assumed it was white, or mostly white.

You also sent that only part of the video was released to the public by the media, and the part that got the one cop off was only introduced at trial. Are you still comfortable with that position? Or was it doctored, too?

I get lots of stuff from the far right that invariably is twisted factually. Even from people I know. They don’t originate it, but pass along forwards. I have yet to find any forward from the Republicans, Tea Party or others on that side of the compass to be trustworthy. Even when the facts are mostly accurate, they leave out what would put it into context and weaken, or destroy, the argument being made.

I don’t get much of that from the left, or the Democrats. Take them with large grain of salt, though. Anyone with a position in an issue tends to be unable to be objective, present it balanced.

Since getting Sancho’s slam, I’ve been pondering your email handle, deputy2, which suggests you are in law enforcement, or were. You told me that is not the case. You want to be in law enforcement?

I imagine George Zimmerman thought of himself as a deputy of some kind. Toted a pistol. Citizen watchman. His comments to the police dispatcher gave that impression. As did his having made many calls, apparently, about people he saw walking through his neighborhood.

I still think he went off the reservation that night and killed a teen who was minding his own business. That’s the bottom line. That, and I think Zimmerman was serious fucked up mentally, based on all I’ve seen so far.

I ain’t saying Martin was a prince, apparently he was not. But he did not do anything that night to cause him to get shot and killed, other than, it looks to me, try to defend himself from what he perceived to be a real threat of his own death. Based on all I have seen and read, I can’t put it together any other way.

I hate to think what will happen if we end up with another all-white jury. I hate to think what the back racists will do with that. Said by someone who has zero use for white racists.

Sloan


J then sent this:
 
Sloan:
 
I am mid 60′s, so I do remember the LA Riots, and I do remember seeing the whole tape once of the entire Rodney King incident, not just the little snip the media wanted everyone to focus on. I never did understand the riots, why riot and burn down businesses and loot and destroy the neighborhoods that you live in?
 
It took me a while but I finally found the original source – Orlando.com and have included the original link ….. as you will note, the article says the jury had no white members. I’m sure that will make no difference to some but at least it proves that “I” did not change it.
 
Hopefully, this will also remove the “racist” and “devil” tags.
 
I will await Sancho’s apology for accusing me of changing the CNN report and calling me a racist for doing it. I won’t worry about being called a “devil”.
J
 
 
No apology from Sancho, more shots. He came hard at me several times in the past few weeks for my writing about Martin-Zimmerman. He made it very plain that he doesn’t want me writing about it. I regret publishing a doctored report. Looks to me Nashville J regrets it, too. The irony is, I no more want to be writing about Martin-Zimmerman or Rodney King than Sancho wants me to write about them. Of all people I know, he should know that. But he doesn’t.
 
Also from J yesterday
 
Sloan:
 
Didn’t take the boys long:
 
“Rodney King’s case was a symbol of police abuse,” Sharpton said at a march Sunday to protest the New York Police Department’s stop-and-frisk policy. “I remember before the tape of Rodney King, we talk about police abuse people thought we were making it up.” Jackson compared King’s case, in which his attackers were acquitted, with Martin’s case today, in which killer George Zimmerman wasn’t initially arrested for shooting Martin because of Florida’s controversial “Stand Your Ground” law.
“We seem not to have learned the lesson of the ugliness of racial profiling and police brutality and all the pain it causes,” he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/rodney-king-dead-police-opening-investigation-apparent-drowning/story?id=16593081

By MARISA TAYLOR and
KEVIN DOLAK (@kdolak)June 18, 2012

Police have opened an investigation into the apparent drowning of Rodney King, the man who emerged as a reluctant “countercultural hero” after four LAPD officers brutally beat him in 1991.

King, 47, had been outside his house most of the night, his fiancée, Cynthia Kelly, told Rialto Police Capt. Randy De Anda after she reported finding his body at the bottom of the pool at his California home.

“[Kelly] was inside the residence, had been sleeping and Mr. King had been carrying conversations with her from the rear patio poolside,” De Anda said. “She had heard him speaking to her. She got up to go outside to talk with him, at which time she found him at the bottom of the pool.”



Click here to view a timeline of the events of Rodney King’s lifeIt has been 20 years since King pleaded for blacks and whites to “get along,” but recent cases like the killing of black Florida teen Trayvon Martin prove that the lessons of King’s brutal beating at the hands of Los Angeles police have yet to be learned, the

Rev. Jesse Jackson and other civil rights leaders said.

Kingemerged as a sort of reluctant, “countercultural hero” after he suffered the beating and a bystander’s video camera captured the violence, Jackson told ABCNews.Rodney King arrives at the EsoWon books store to sign copies of his new book, “The Riot Within: My Journey From Rebellion to Redemption,” on April 30, 2012 in Los Angeles, California.

That videotape, when shared with a Los Angeles TV station, sent shock waves around the world, catapulting police brutality and race relations in the United States to center stage and turning King into a symbol of the bitter conflict.

“It was his beating that made America focus on the presence of profiling and police misconduct,” civil rights advocate

the Rev. Al Sharpton said in a statement. “History will record that it was Rodney King’s beating and his actions that made America deal with the excessive misconduct of law enforcement.”“Rodney King’s case was a symbol of police abuse,” Sharpton said at a march Sunday to protest the New York Police Department’s stop-and-frisk policy. “I remember before the tape of Rodney King, we talk about police abuse people thought we were making it up.”

Jackson compared King’s case, in which his attackers were acquitted, with Martin’s case today, in which killer George Zimmerman wasn’t initially arrested for shooting Martin because of Florida’s controversial “Stand Your Ground” law.

“We seem not to have learned the lesson of the ugliness of racial profiling and police brutality and all the pain it causes,” he said.

The wake of the violent attacks on King and the subsequent L.A. riots in 1992 spurred the resignation of LAPD Chief Daryl Gates and an overhaul of the department, including years of federal oversight to monitor racial profiling and police brutality.

What was once a

culture of low morale and a code of silencewithin a police force that had been scandalized even further by the O.J. Simpson murder trial was turned on its head under the leadership of former LAPD Chief William Bratton.His emphasis on community-based policing and crackdowns on excessive use of force brought murders down to 297 in 2011, the lowest they’ve been in more than 40 years, according to KABC-TV in Los Angeles.

“The culture of the Los Angeles Police Department has been transformed,”

Erwin Chemerinsky, a professor and the founding dean of the School of Law at the University of California-Irvine, told KABC-TV.Bratton has since gone on to advise the police forces of other major cities

including London,where he now serves as a consultant to police after he city’s spate of riots last year.But 20 years after the 1992 acquittal of the LAPD officers ignited days of deadly riots in Los Angeles, Jackson said, the shooting of Trayvon Martin shows that race relations are still far from where they should be.

The NYPD, for example, has come under increasing criticism for its stop-and-frisk program, in which it detained more than 685,000 people in 2011, the majority of them young blacks and Hispanics,

according to the New York Civil Liberties Union. That’s up from about 97,300 stop-and-frisk incidents back in 2002.Jackson said the persistent present-day bias is also reflected by the

8,000 blacks killed in the United States each year.“It isn’t just the police,” he said. “Our concern now, of course, is too much racially-targeted violence.

“We had a redemptive moment with President Barack Obama’s election,” Jackson said.

But contrary to King’s “resounding appeal for us to get along,” he said, “it seems that we’re not.”


ABC News radio contributed to this report.

Whatever redemptive moment may have existed, I don’t concede it did exist, it was extinguished when President Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize while waging the two murderous wars of his murderous predecessor. That unpleasantness aside, I have yet to see in the news reports any evidence of George Zimmerman being racially motivated on that terrible night. He mentored young blacks. The FBI tried hard and found no evidence of hate crime. I wish to God that Jackson, Sharpton, US Attorney General Holder and President Obama would take out after Florida’s Stand Your Gound Law. As I wrote in yesterday’s Rodney King found dead – Martin-Zimmerman implications, Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law under scrutiny post, a strong argument can be made for the law being unconstitutional because the law is subjective, left up to individual Florida judges to determine whether or not it applies. Florida trial judges are all over the map in their rulings on the law. The law is an abomination, created by conservative Republican Florida Legislators, some of whom were blacks, including the current Lieutenant Governor. Throughout Florida, trial judges, state attorneys and defense attorneys are blasting the Stand Your Ground Law. Hello, Governor Scott. Hello Florida Legislature. Are you folks up there in Tallahassee listening? Or, are you so whored out to the National Rifle Association and its political clout that you can’t close your wide-spread legs and behave like responsible adults? Probably, thus sadly, a rhetorical question.

 
A part of the transcript of Zimmerman’s 911 call keeps coming to me. The part where Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that the person he was following had started running, and Zimmerman said something like, “they always get away.” In this mind, Zimmerman already had tried and convicted the person who was running. Zimmerman was armed. Despite the dispatcher telling him to stand down, Zimmerman kept following Martin because he did not want him to get a way. Self-deputized Zimmerman. Vigilante Zimmerman. That’s how I would pitch it to the judge at a stand your ground law hearing, if I were the Special Prosecutor. That’s how I would pitch it to the jury, if I were the Special Prosecutor. Out of his own mouth, in the 911 call, Zimmerman waived his 5th Amendment right to not incriminate himself.

Sloan Bashinsky, ex-lawyer

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Rodney King found dead – Martin-Zimmerman implications, Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law under scrutiny

ML King, he urged non-violence 

From Nashville J yesterday:

Rodney King found dead


Story posted 2012.06.17 at 11:22 AM EDT

Click Orlando News
Rodney King, whose beating by Los Angeles police in 1991 was caught on camera and sparked riots after the acquittal of the four officers involved, was found dead in his swimming pool Sunday, authorities and his fiancee confirmed. He was 47.

King’s beating after a high-speed car chase and its aftermath forever changed Los Angeles, its police department and the dialogue on race in America.

King was 25 and on parole after a robbery conviction in April 1991. In an interview in 2011, he recalled he had been drinking and was headed home from a friend’s house when he saw a police car following him and panicked, thinking he would be sent back to prison. So he attempted to flee.

“I had a job to go to that Monday, and I knew I was on parole, and I knew I wasn’t supposed to be drinking, and I’m like ‘Oh, my God,’” he told CNN.

He realized he couldn’t outrun the police, but looked for a public place to stop. “I saw all those apartments over there, so I said, ‘I’m gonna stop right there,’” he said. “‘If it goes down, somebody will see it.’”

An amateur cameraman caught the scene as four white police officers struck King more than 50 times with their wooden batons and used a stun gun on him.

King said as the officers beat him, they yelled, “We are going to kill you, n***er,” although the officers denied using racial slurs.

The video shows King cowering on the ground and attempting to crawl away as he is surrounded by a crowd of police officers. Four of them used their nightsticks to strike him.

King was beaten nearly to death. Three surgeons operated on him for five hours.

The video of the beating appeared on national television two days later, focusing attention on the issue of racially-motivated police brutality.

“We finally caught the Loch Ness Monster with a camcorder,” King attorney Milton Grimes said.

Four LAPD officers — Theodore Briseno, Laurence Powell, Timothy Wind and Sgt. Stacey Koon — were indicted on charges of assault with a deadly weapon and excessive use of force by a police officer.

But following a three-month trial in the predominantly white Los Angeles suburb of Simi Valley, three of the officers were acquitted of all charges. The jury, which had no white members, deadlocked on one charge of excessive force against Powell, and a mistrial was declared on that charge.

Powell’s attorney, Michael Stone, said earlier this year the unedited video worked against King and helped prove the officers’ case.

“Most of the nation only saw a few snippets where it’s the most violent,” Stone said. “They didn’t see (King) get up and run at Powell.”

But African-Americans in Los Angeles exploded in outrage. Rioters ran through the streets — looting businesses, torching buildings and attacking those who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The violence was responsible for more than 50 deaths and $1 billion in property damage.

On the third day of rioting, King emerged from seclusion to make a plea: “People, I just want to say, can we all get along? Can we get along?”

_______________________

I replied:

Hmmm, a non-white jury did not convict the white police officers.

Hmmm, the national news media did not show all of the video, to wit, the part unfavorable to King.

Hmmm, there seem to be different versions of what happened before George Zimmerman shot Trayon Martin.

Hmmm, I wish you had not sent this to me, but I figure you can plead the angels made you do it.

Mmmm, maybe not a good sign for my theory that a non-white jury not convicting Zimmerman would stop what happened in L.A., but more widespread.

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I wondered if foul play was suspected and googled “Rodney King found dead” and found this report:

World News: Breaking: Rodney King found dead, police reports …

Rodney King, whose 1991 beating at the hands of police led to deadly riots in Los Angeles the following year, was found dead in a swimming pool on Sunday in Rialto, California, police said. King, 47, whose beating was captured on video by a bystander, was discovered by his fiancee, Rialto police Captain Randy De Anda said.King’s death was reported to police Sunday morning in Rialto, about 80 kilometres east of Los Angeles. Police pulled his body from the swimming pool but were unable to resuscitate him, De Anda said.The Rialto police department is conducting a drowning investigation and De Anda said there were no preliminary signs of foul play.Kingbecame a national figure in discussions on race and police brutality after he and some friends were stopped by Los Angeles police on March 3, 1991, after a high-speed chase.King was beaten by baton-wielding officers while a bystander filmed them. When the officers were cleared of brutality charges, riots broke out in Los Angeles, resulting in 53 deaths and an estimated $1 billion in damage.
 
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Then J replied:
 
Sloan:
 
THE ANGELS MADE ME DO IT! That’s my story and I am sticking to it. :-)
 
Actually, you hit exactly on the parts of the story that I had picked out. Particulary the part about the media not showing the part unfavorable to King. Hits too close to home with the head injuries not being reported for Zimmerman, the 5 year old picture of Treyvon as a cute young kid that would be like the son Obama had, if he had one, etc. etc.. The media fueled the flames for Martin, just as they did for King and the results will probably be the same. Divide, stir the flames and then riots. Sure hope not, but…….
 
THE ANGELS MADE ME DO IT!
J
 
I replied to J:
 
I suppose I will be glad I don’t live in Birmingham, if Zimmerman is acquitted. From what I have read and been told by an amigo who used to live in Birmingham, the city adopted Trayvon Martin posthumously and gave his parents the key to the city. For some time now, the Birmingham City Government has been dominated by blacks. I think the same for the Jefferson County Government. More blacks than whites, by some margin, live in the Birmingham city limits. Most of the whites live in adjacent smaller municipalities. I doubt Martin Luther King is particularly pleased with how this is going. I doubt Jesus is, either.
 
J replied:
 
Sloan:
 
The link to the story from CNN.
 
along with a quote from race baiter Sharpton.
 
Also, his fiancee, Cynthia Kelly, who found him in the pool was on the jury that awarded King 3.8 million in the lawsuit against the City. Just interesting.
 
J
 
Here is the article from that link:
 
Los Angeles (CNN)– Rodney King, whose beating by Los Angeles police in 1991 was caught on camera and sparked riots after the acquittal of the four officers involved, was found dead in his swimming pool Sunday, authorities and his fiancee said. He was 47. 

Police in Rialto, California, received a 911 call from King’s fiancee, Cynthia Kelly, about 5:25 a.m., said Capt. Randy DeAnda. Responding officers found King at the bottom of the pool, removed him and attempted to revive him. He was pronounced dead at a local hospital, DeAnda said.

There were no preliminary signs of foul play, he said, and no obvious injuries on King’s body. Police are conducting a drowning investigation, DeAnda said, and King’s body would be autopsied.”His fiancee heard him in the rear yard,” he said, and found King in the pool when she went outside.Kelly was a juror in King’s lawsuit against the city of Los Angeles in 1994.

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Rodney King’s legacy

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2011: King a symbol of police brutality

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2011: Rodney King, 20 years later

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2011: Rodney King’s nightmare

King’s beating after a high-speed car chase and its aftermath forever changed Los Angeles, its police department and the dialogue on race in America.

“Rodney King was a symbol of civil rights and he represented the anti-police brutality and anti-racial profiling movement of our time,” the Rev. Al Sharpton said in a statement. “It was his beating that made America focus on the presence of profiling and police misconduct.”

King was 25 and on parole after a robbery conviction in March 1991. In an interview in 2011, he recalled he had been drinking and was headed home from a friend’s house when he saw a police car following him and panicked, thinking he would be sent back to prison. So he attempted to flee.

“I had a job to go to that Monday, and I knew I was on parole, and I knew I wasn’t supposed to be drinking, and I’m like ‘Oh, my God,’” he told CNN.

Related: Rodney King looks back without anger

He realized he couldn’t outrun the police, but looked for a public place to stop. “I saw all those apartments over there, so I said, ‘I’m gonna stop right there,’” he said. “‘If it goes down, somebody will see it.’”

An amateur cameraman caught the scene as four white police officers struck King more than 50 times with their wooden batons and used a stun gun on him.

King said as the officers beat him, they yelled, “We are going to kill you, n***er,” although the officers denied using racial slurs.

The video shows King cowering on the ground and attempting to crawl away as he is surrounded by a crowd of police officers. Four of them used their nightsticks to strike him.

King was beaten nearly to death. Three surgeons operated on him for five hours.

The video of the beating appeared on national television two days later, focusing attention on the issue of racially-motivated police brutality.

“We finally caught the Loch Ness Monster with a camcorder,” King attorney Milton Grimes said.

Four LAPD officers — Theodore Briseno, Laurence Powell, Timothy Wind and Sgt. Stacey Koon — were indicted on charges of assault with a deadly weapon and excessive use of force by a police officer.

But following a three-month trial in the predominantly white Los Angeles suburb of Simi Valley, three of the officers were acquitted of all charges. The jury, which had all white members, deadlocked on one charge of excessive force against Powell, and a mistrial was declared on that charge.

Powell’s attorney, Michael Stone, said earlier this year the unedited video worked against King and helped prove the officers’ case.

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Rodney King remembers the L.A. riots

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Los Angeles riots: 20 years later

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King writes memoir sharing his story

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Rodney King on getting beyond race

“Most of the nation only saw a few snippets where it’s the most violent,” Stone said. “They didn’t see (King) get up and run at Powell.”

But African-Americans in Los Angeles exploded in outrage. Rioters ran through the streets — looting businesses, torching buildings and attacking those who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The violence was responsible for more than 50 deaths and $1 billion in property damage.

On the third day of rioting, King emerged from seclusion to make a plea: “People, I just want to say, can we all get along? Can we get along?”

The violence ceased, but the debate did not.

Nearly a year later, the four officers stood trial in federal court on civil rights charges. Two African-Americans were picked for the jury, and King testified. He hedged, however, on whether police used racial slurs during the beating. He told CNN in 2011 that slurs were used, but said he vacillated on the stand because his mother had told him to avoid talking about race.

Koon and Powell were found guilty and sentenced to 30 months in prison. Briseno and Wind were acquitted.

“It was like … I just hope we just get one,” King said. “I hope we just get one on that. If we get one, we’re good. So to get the two, I was really happy.”

King also sued the city of Los Angeles.

“Half of them had no sympathy whatsoever,” Kelly, his fiancee, told CNN earlier this year about her fellow jurors. “… They just didn’t care. Like, ‘He broke the law. He deserved what he got.’ I told them they were crazy. It was about justice for what happened to him. No one deserves to get beat like that.”

The other jurors came around, and King was awarded $3.8 million in damages.

In later years, King had several more run-ins with the law, including a 90-day jail stint in 1996 for a hit-and-run involving his wife at the time. On the 20th anniversary of the beating in 2011, he was pulled over and ticketed for a minor traffic violation.

“The trouble that (people) see me in is a part of my life that I’m working on,” he said in 2011. “I’ll always have an issue when it comes to alcohol. My dad was an alcoholic. The addiction part is in my blood. What I’ve learned to do is arrest my addiction — arrest it myself, so I don’t get arrested.”

In 2008, King appeared on the VH1 reality show “Celebrity Rehab.” He also released a memoir, “The Riot Within,” in which he describes his difficult upbringing and his reflections on the beating and its aftermath.

The ranks of Los Angeles police are much more diverse than they were at the time of King’s beating. Changes have also been made — some compelled by the courts — in the way certain neighborhoods are patrolled and how complaints are handled.

Sharpton said in his statement Sunday that he had recently spent time with King discussing the release of his book.

“Through all that he had gone through with his beating and personal demons, he was never one to not call for reconciliation and for his people to overcome and forgive,” Sharpton said.

King said earlier this year he has forgiven the officers who beat him.

“Yes, I’ve forgiven them, because I’ve been forgiven many times,” he said. “My country’s been good to me … This country is my house, it’s the only home I know, so I have to be able to forgive — for the future, for the younger generation coming behind me, so … they can understand it and if a situation like that happened again, they could deal with it a lot easier.”

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What this article says Rodney King did reminds me of what Martin Luther King preached, and what my beloved black mammy told blacks to do during the time of troubles in Birmingham. To be patient with and love their white brothers and sisters. Hers is the second portrait in A Few Remarkable (Birmingham) People I Have Known, found in the right-hand menu of goodmorningbirmingham.com.

I replied to J:

Maybe if Zimmerman is not convicted, Trayvon Martin’s parents will call for non-violence. Maybe they will call for it now. Why haven’t they called for it already? Why hasn’t Al Sharpton called for non-violence already? Why haven’t Jesse Jackson, Attorney General Holder and President Obama not called for non-violence already?

Sloan

J replied:
 
Sloan:
 
Really now! You know the answer to your question.
 
They do not call for non-violence because Sharpton, Jackson, Holder, Obama secretly all WANT violence, particularly if they can get it before the election to stir up the voting base. AND, at least Jackson and Sharpton need for there to be violence so that they can continue to raise money and keep their fear mongering – race bating business going – they don’t want to get a real job.
 
LA was 50 people killed and 1 Billion dollars of damage – wonder what it will be this time?
J

 

I replied:

My questions were somewhat facetious. Can’t imagine any of the four black notables wanting black violence for any reason, especially not before the election, which very well could create a white stampede to Romney.

My sense is, what’s in play here is generations old, dating back to before The Declaration of Independence. Like Jews, African peoples experienced terrible things at the hands of White Supremacists. It’s in their souls and it runs many black Americans and sets them up for volatile reaction to anything that triggers those very old and deep terrors and hatreds.

That is not an excuse for black violence in situations like Rodney King or Trayvon Martin, but it explains it to me. I hope Rodney King’s passing and the far more balanced Rodney King media coverage today will sink into the souls of likes of the four black notables and many more blacks. Not holding my breath, but perhaps blacks should consider there are plenty of White Supremacists in America who just might be willing to meet them on a battlefield neither side will end up liking.

That scenario, and riots like what followed Rodney King’s apprehension and Trayvon Martin’s death, keep bringing me back around to the idea what the time may well come when whoever is Potus will have to order the troops home to protect Americans from Americans. The four notables would do well to ponder that not entirely unlikely scenario.

Interesting, Rodney and ML shared the same last name.

Running parallel, this borrowed editorial in The Key West Citizen today:

Stand your ground law: confusion, disparity

It’s a good thing that Lt. Gov.

Jennifer Carroll has an open mind about her task force’s examination of Florida’s controversial Stand Your Ground Law. There appear to be an awful lot of problems with the state’s expansive self-defense statute.

An analysis of almost 200 Stand Your Ground cases by the Tampa Bay Times, St. Petersburg, found widespread confusion and disparity in the way the law has been applied and interpreted. Among the findings: The number of Stand Your Ground cases is increasing, the Times reported, largely because defense attorneys are using the 2005 law “in ways legislators never envisioned.” The protection has been invoked in dozens of cases with minor or no injuries.

Many successful cases “seem to make a mockery of what lawmakers intended,” the Times said. A man went free after killing two unarmed people. Another shot a man lying on the ground. Others went free after shooting victims in the back. “Similar cases have opposite outcomes,” the analysis concluded. Some drug dealers citing self-defense went to prison, while other went free. Some killers who left a fight and returned armed were convicted; others weren’t. One man lost his claim of self-defense because the victim was walking away. The court concluded “that immunity does not apply because the victim was retreating.” In another, similar case, a court granted immunity to a shooter, saying, “The statute makes no exception from immunity when the victim is retreating.”

Differing interpretations of Stand Your Ground were at the heart of the case that spawned the current controversy: the February shooting death of17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford. Martin was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, who had been following him. Zimmerman later told police he fired his gun in self-defense after Martin attacked him. Sanford police cited the Stand Your Ground Law in releasing Zimmerman without charges; the local state attorney also declined to bring charges.Amid nationwide outrage and protests, Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor, the state attorney from the Jacksonville district, who eventually charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder. He is now awaiting trial.

Lt. Gov. Carroll, who is chairing a task force that Scott appointed to examine the state’s gun laws — including Stand Your Ground — has discovered that such disparities in interpreting the statute are widespread. The task force’s organizational meeting in May raised “many, many questions” about the law, Carroll told the Times. “When we heard from sheriffs, they had problems, and when we heard from defense and prosecuting attorneys, they had problems,” Carroll said. “From judges we heard that there have been cases we need to look at and get an understanding of how the courts have ruled.”

The comments by Carroll, who voted for Stand Your Ground as a Republican member of the Florida House, offer encouragement that the task force’s inquiry will not be a whitewash of the controversy but lead to useful recommendations to the Legislature for changes in the law. One possible change might involve denying self-defense immunity to anyone who initiates a confrontation. Durell Peaden, a former Republican legislator who sponsored the Stand Your Ground bill in the state Senate, told the Times that it was never intended to protect those who put themselves in harm’s way before shooting.

The remarks by Carroll and Peaden, however, stand in contrast to those of another task force member, state Rep. Dennis Baxley, who sponsored the bill in the Florida House. He said Monday that it’s “premature” to predict that changes are necessary. “I think there’s more data to come about the positive aspects of the statute as it exists.”

We hope other members of the task force share the concerns voiced by Carroll and Peaden as well as numerous officials in the law enforcement and judicial systems. The Stand Your Ground Law was intended to protect the innocent, not to create confusion that might allow the guilty to escape punishment.

— The Lakeland Ledger

As I read the above, the thought came to me that the Florida Stand Your Ground law is unconstitutional because it is open to different interpretations/applications by different trial judges, violating equal protection under the law. I am not positive about this, but I believe there might be a procedure whereby the Florida Supreme Court, on its own motion, can initiate a legal proceeding to determine the constitutionality of the Florida Stand Your Ground Law. The United States Supreme Court did much the same when, on its own motion, it took jurisdiction of the contested 2000 presidential election voting in Florida away from the Florida Supreme Court and gave the White House to G.W. Bush.

Lt. Governor Carroll is black and, if memory serves me, supported the Stand Your Ground Law when it was passed, and maybe even co-sponsored it. I wonder how she really feels about her handiwork now. I am pretty sure I know how Trayvon Martin and his parents feel about it.

 
 
 
 
 

golf in the kingdom

Ben Hogan’s memorable 1-iron shot at Merion US Open, proving Ben could hit a 1-iron, even if God couldn’t … Sorry, Lee Trevino, just couldn’t let that pass …

If I had it all to do over again can be gleaned from what I sailed over to bigpinekey.com Coconut Telegraph Deer Ed boss pirate yesterday afternoon, replying to this seriously ignoramus comment:

Golf is the biggest pussy sport there is. It isn’t even a sport, it’s a game. Look at all the portly pro golfers playing today. They play and eat lobster and filet mignons at country clubs, someone else carries their heavy clubs, and everyone has to be quiet while they shoot. Now if they had to carry their own clubs and walk, not ride in those little carts, scored on how fast they finished, and spectators could yell at them like baseball, football, and basketball —that would be a sport!

I played golf the way this critic says it should be played, except for the part about people yelling on my shots. I played 36 holes a day in the summer, 95+ Fahrenheit carrying my own bag, every day. That pussy game beat the living shit out of my psyche. You should check out what it has done to former NBA star Charles Barkley’s psyche. His swing looks like something invented in a pretzel factory.

Something this critic might do is play 36 holes a day at the nearest public golf course from May 31-August 31. And count every stroke. And play from the most back tees. And walk and carry his own bag. And never improve his lie in the fairway, in the rough, in a sand trap, on the green. And count all of this strokes. And let a friend come along and video his very last round, to share with all of us on the CT, so we can see whether he is a he-man or a pussy or a cry baby or a club thrower or breaker.

Something this critic also might do is consider that you don’t get mulligans in golf, if you play it by the rules. You don’t get to take shots over. You have to play every shot as the ball lies. If your lie is unplayable, you can move the ball and take a two stroke penalty. If you lose a ball, it’s a two stroke penalty. If you hit a ball into a water hazard, it’s a one stoke penalty. If you hit a ball out of bounds, it’s a two stroke penalty. If your ball moves when you address it, that’s a one stroke penalty. If you ground your club in a sand trap or water hazard, or even touch a water hazard weed with your backswing, that’s a one stroke penalty. You are not allowed to cheat or to lie about your score.

Imagine living your whole life like that. That’s what playing real golf teaches you.

The US Open begins tomorrow on an old golf course in San Francisco. I’ve been watching the Golf Channel (218 on Direct TV) lead-ins for this tournament. This is going to be one very tough, long, mother from hell golf course for the best golfers in the world to challenge. This course is going to make grown men cry and tremble and get really angry. I am looking forward to watching it, to commiserating with the victims and cheering the stars. I wish I had been that good. It sure would have beat anything else I tired in the way of work, and it would have been play, if it were not so darn rough on the psyche and often on the body.

For further proof, find a copy of Golf In The Kingdom in a rare bookstore and get yourself turned inside out. Just read the story. Skip the post mortem, which was unnecessary and, well, insulted the story.

George Zimmerman’s wife charged with perjury

 

 
From Nashville J yesterday, aka The Sloan Stalker
 
This interests me.

George Zimmerman’s Wife Arrested: Shellie Zimmerman Charged With Perjury

ORLANDO, Fla. — Authorities say the wife of Trayvon Martin’s shooter is being accused of lying to a judge about their finances during a bond hearing and faces one count of perjury.

An order issued Tuesday by assistant state attorney John Guy charged Shellie Zimmerman for knowingly making false statements during the April hearing. George Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder in the shooting. He was granted $150,000 bond at that hearing and released.

The judge revoked that bond earlier this month after state attorneys argued that both Zimmerman and his wife had lied to the judge about their finances, especially about money raised from a website.

George Zimmerman is back in jail. Shellie Zimmerman was arrested and is also in jail custody.

I replied:

Interests me, too. Been wondering if perjury charges would be brought against her.
 
Caught part of Erin Burnett’s vetting of this on CNN tonight, with a white Florida criminal lawyer who knows and respects the trial judge. The lawyer said the judge is fair and tough. 

A quote was flashed of the judge having said Zimmerman’s credibility is at issue. The white criminal lawyer said that will be in play if a stand your ground law defense is raised by defense to get the charges dismissed.However, based on what I think I caught, the lawyer said Zimmerman himself did not testify at his first bail hearing about his finances, so no perjury on his part at first bail hearing, as 5th Amendment allowed him to stand silent during his wife’s testimony.

Am left confused about that, as I had understood Zimmerman had testified at his bond hearing re his family finances.

Also, something on Burnett’s show about Zimmerman’s defense lawyer later having apprised the court himself of the discrepancies in Zimmerman’s actual finances and what was presented at the first bond hearing. I had been worried the lawyer was in on it.

 
Burnett ran a tape of Trayvon Martin’s mother saying she is not against the 2nd Amendment, but no law should allow someone with a gun to follow and hunt down someone who isn’t doing anything wrong, and then shoot that someone and then claim protection of the stand your ground law. Martin’s mother said it was wrong to encourage vigilantism. I agreed. 

Burnett interviewed the Martin family lawyer, who is black. He said much the same thing. Then, he honed in on the importance of credibility in the actual trial. He said Zimmerman claims Martin chased him down, but the objective evidence indicates Zimmerman was chasing Martin. The family lawyer said the trial will turn on whether or not the jury believes Zimmerman, which I said in several posts.

First time I had seen/heard the Martin family lawyer and Trayvon’s mother sound level. I had hoped they would start lobbying Florida to repeal the stand your ground law, but it did not sound like they went that far. I wish they had asked blacks to stand down and let the Special Prosecutor and the court and jury handle it.


The white criminal lawyer agreed the chase will turn on whether or not the jury believes Zimmerman. Way I read the white lawyer, he will not be on Zimmerman being believed by the jury.

Burnett and the white criminal lawyer opined conservative Republican administrations, starting with Jeb Bush, who was in office when the stand your ground law was passed, have consistently supported the stand your law. Ditto, the present Governor, who is a very conservative white Republican, the Florida Attorney General, who is white, and the Special prosecutor, who is black. Burnett and the Florida criminal lawyer pondered the irony of that all coming home to roost with Zimmerman shooting Martin. 

My recollection, the Florida Lieutenant Governor, who is black, co-sponsored the stand your ground law when she was in the Florida Legislature? 

Two news reports I found online on Zimmerman’s wife being arrested for perjury:


Huffington Post
 

ORLANDO, Fla. — The wife of Trayvon Martin’s shooter was charged with perjury Tuesday, accused of lying when she told a judge that the couple had limited funds during a hearing that resulted in her husband being released on $150,000 bond.Shellie Zimmerman, 25, was released on $1,000 bond on the third-degree felony that is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine. George Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder in the teen’s slaying and had been out on bond after the April 20 hearing. However, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester on June 1 revoked the bond and ordered Zimmerman returned to the Seminole County Jail. In a strongly worded ruling, Lester said the Zimmermans lied about how much money they had.

George Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara has said the couple was confused and fearful when they misled court officials about how much money they had. A call and email to him on Tuesday weren’t immediately returned.

Records show Shellie Zimmerman in the days before the hearing transferred $74,000 in eight smaller amounts ranging from $7,500 to $9,990, from her husband’s credit union account to hers, according to an arrest affidavit. It also shows that $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman’s account to his sister’s in the days before the bond hearing.

Four days after he was released on bond, Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $85,500 from her account into her husband’s account, the affidavit said. The affidavit also said that jail call records show that George Zimmerman instructed her to “pay off all the bills,” including an American Express and Sam’s Club card.

A state attorney investigator met with credit union officials and learned that she had control of transfers to and from her husband’s account.

Jeffrey Neiman, a former federal prosecutor now in private practice, said cash transactions in excess of $10,000 usually trigger a reporting requirement by the bank to multiple government agencies – including the IRS.

“If Mrs. Zimmerman intentionally structured the financial transactions in a manner to keep the offense under $10,000, not only may she have committed perjury in the state case, but she also may have run afoul of several federal statutes and could face serious federal criminal charges,” Neiman wrote in an email to The Associated Press.

George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, has maintained since the Feb. 26 killing that he shot Martin in self-defense because the unarmed 17-year-old was beating him up after confronting Zimmerman about following him in a gated community outside Orlando.

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

6:52 p.m. EDT, June 12, 2012

At her husband’s bond hearing, Shellie Zimmerman was asked repeatedly about money. Among the questions: How much did the couple collect in donations through George Zimmerman’s website?

“Currently, I do not know,” Shellie Zimmerman replied. She and other family members described their financial situation as dire. Judge Kenneth Lester granted George Zimmerman $150,000 bond on the second-degree-murder charge he faces in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

But prosecutors say Shellie Zimmerman spent the days before that April hearing shifting tens of thousands of dollars out of her husband’s account, then deliberately lied to the judge.

On Tuesday, she was arrested on a perjury charge and booked into John E. Polk Correctional Facility. It’s the same jail her husband has called home since the deception was revealed earlier this month, leading the judge to revoke his bond.“The prosecutor sent a strong message that you have to tell the truth in court because it is the whole basis of the American judicial system,” said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon’s family, after learning of the new arrest.

In an affidavit, prosecutors revealed new details about Shellie Zimmerman’s alleged efforts to hide money from the court.

Four days before she testified to having no knowledge of the funds, the affidavit says, Shellie Zimmerman began a series of transfers into her account — totaling $74,000 from April 16 to April 19.

The affidavit says about $47,000 more was transferred from George Zimmerman’s account to his sister’s. Shellie Zimmerman withdrew about $18,000 more in cash, prosecutors say.

Prosecutors say the Zimmermans used a rudimentary “code” to discuss the money in recorded jailhouse phone calls — referring to $100,000, for example, as “$100.” At least two of the calls, the state alleges, were made while Shellie Zimmerman and her husband’s sister were at a local credit union making the transactions.

Zimmerman told his wife to “pay off all the bills” with the money, prosecutors said, including an American Express card and a Sam’s Club card. He also instructed her on how to pay his bail.

According to the affidavit, after her husband was released on bond days after the hearing, she transferred more than $85,000 back into his account. A branch manager at their credit union told prosecutors he knew the couple and saw Shellie Zimmerman talking to her husband on the phone April 16.

The manager said he had helped Shellie Zimmerman transfer control of George Zimmerman’s account, at one point speaking directly to George Zimmerman by phone.

Michael Grieco, a Miami defense lawyer and former prosecutor, has been critical of the state’s case against George Zimmerman — but said prosecutors have “a pretty strong perjury case” against Shellie Zimmerman.

As a prosecutor in a perjury case, “you have to establish that they know that they are making a false statement.” Normally, that’s a challenge, he said, because the prosecutor can’t “get in someone’s head.”

But the phone recordings and bank statements make the job easier in this case, he said.

Grieco said Shellie Zimmerman’s perjury charge should have no impact on her husband’s murder prosecution.

“It is a completely isolated and independent incident,” he said.

Shellie Zimmerman was arrested about 3:30 p.m. Tuesday, deputies said. She faces one count of perjury in an official proceeding — a third-degree felony. Her bail was set at $1,000, and she quickly bonded out.

misdirection v. cutting to the chase – Martin-Zimmerman

Dragnet’s Sgt. Joe Friday – Just the facts, please  

Distant North Carolina in-law Ron replied to the Beautiful Things tears me up again over George Zimmerman prosecutionpost.

SLOAN – I swan right back at you. I wonder how many of your readers know what that means. Just to read it takes me back to simpler times.
Again, thank you for your level headed un-emotional , logical thoughts regarding the Martin / Zimmerman tragic event. It will be a good thing when this is settled in the courts. However, as you have pointed out so well, when it is settled, a general period of hell may follow.
Regards, Ron K.

I replied:Hi, Ron. So many people are so personally identified with either Trayvon Martin or with George Zimmerman, as if they have become one or the other, or the parent or brother or sister of one or the other, that they are unable to think and perceive dispassionately, clinically, objectively – which is what a judge and jury are supposed to do in any kind of case, criminal or civil. It’s like a mass hypnosis, or mass religious fanaticism, mass political indoctrination, mass madness, mass demonic possession – you pick. As you allude and we have often commiserated, the effect of the mass passions on the judge and a jury cannot be predicted, other than we know there will be serious and mounting pressure. As for the post-verdict mortem, maybe I should move a little further south of Seven Mile Bridge, like to the South Pole, before I write about that. Ciao. Sloan

 
Then, received this forward from an old Alabama amigo now living in Pensacola – I already had published it in post maybe a week ago, after receiving it from a right-wing Birmingham acquaintance.
 
Trayvon at 17

 
For those of us who thought we were well informed and weren’t…..
quite the realty check,
That old adage applies here. . .
“there are two sides to every story” . . .
we don’t always get the truth from the media.
One of my favorite rants…the liberal controlled media…television news…newspapers…magazines…radio…
all continue to show 12 year old Trayvon…
NOT 17 year old Trayvon…
they continue to show the 5 year old picture
BECAUSE it helps to cement in your mind
the little, cute, hoodie wearing youngster who was stalked by this monster. In reality..”little Trayvon”… at the time of his death…
stood 6’2″ tall…weighed 175 muscular pounds
had numerous run ins with authorities (both at school and local police)…
had been stopped and almost arrested two days before his death for…
smacking a bus driver in the face…
because the driver refused to let him ride for free…
he was released because the driver was told not to press charges
by the bus company and to continue on his route.
When “little Trayvon” was suspended at school…
it was not only because he tried to bring a little marijuana in with him…
he was in possession of wedding rings and other jewelry…
watches etc. that he said he “found” along with a large screwdriver…
while on the way to school that day…
the jewelry was turned over to the Police by the school.
I am not trying to say this was a good shooting…
I am not trying to say this kid deserved to die…
I am saying…
the media in the USA is controlled by liberals who twist and distort what you see
and hear in order for you to see things their way.
Not a single paper has printed RECENT photos of this kid…
because…
it would not keep your interest in this case…
Not a single paper will admit that this kid was a marijuana dealer
his friends on facebook all say he had the “best plants“…
not a single paper will show you any of his recent photos
where he shows off a mouthful of gold teeth….
all of his tattoos…
not a single paper will tell the news like it really is….
and NOT how they want you to think it is…
President Obama…
looked at the FIVE year old photo the media chose to show the Nation…
and said…”If I had a son…he would look like Trayvon”
So from that comment…should I assume you did not bother to look for the facts in this shooting..
or should I assume you want a son who is a 17 year old drug dealing,
gold teethed thug whose name on one of his facebook profiles was “wild nigga“…
who ‘finds” jewelry and burglary tools on the way to school ?
A fair and impartial news media in the USA ?
One that does not follow the liberal agenda?
Is NOT looking to further divide this already fracture nation.
 
 
I replied:
Hi, Fred. I used this entire forward in a post a few days ago, to demonstrate what is happening on the Internet re this tragedy. I said I agreed with what the creator of the forward wrote about the media slanting with younger photos of Trayvon, while I disagreed with using a photo of an older man who did not look anything like Trayvon to me. I said the creator of the forward was a white supremacist pretending to be something else. Whatever history Trayvon had, whatever history George Zimmerman had, neither were prince’s based on all I’ve seen online, it still looks to me Zimmerman was the aggressor that night. I don’t see that Martin was doing anything wrong before Zimmerman saw and started following him. Zimmerman was carrying an automatic. Did he have a shell in the chamber? Did he chamber a shell when he started following Trayvon? Otherwise, how did Zimmerman shoot Trayvon after Trayvon started beating him up and then was pounding the back of his head against the pavement? Not certain of this, but I don’t imagine most people, law enforcement officers for example, carry automatics with a shell chambered. At least not in the movies, they don’t do that. They chamber a shell when they see they might need their weapon. They don’t carry automatics with chambered shells because they don’t want the gun going off by accident and shooting them in the leg, foot, etc. If Zimmerman chambered a shell after he saw Trayvon, or if he was carrying that automatic with shell in the chamber, that might go very badly for him on the issue of who was the aggressor. All speculation, of course. We will only have Zimmerman’s testimony. But I imagine the special prosecutor, defense lawyer, trial judge and any jury, if selected, will be thinking along similar lines. Sloan

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Ron replied:

BASH – not sure about your gun info amigo. I think most enforcement folks carry their auto pistols “locked and loaded” when on the job. That way if they need a weapon in the course of duty they simply have to click off the safety and they are ready to fire. The old empty chamber carry was for revolvers, which would go off if they happened to be dropped and landed on the hammer. Auto loading pistols are not likely to go off if dropped with a round in the chamber. Not 100% certain that all enforcement carries this way, but 99.9% certain that most on duty officers carry “locked and loaded”. It is a safe way to carry and quick to put into action should the need arise. ciao Ron

I replied:

Hi, Ron. You probably are right. I never even held an automatic. Have fired a .38 revolver a few times, unable to hit the side of a barn with it. Even so, I don’t think I would carry an automatic locked and loaded, if I owned one. Sloan

 

 

 

Beautiful Things tears me up again over George Zimmerman prosecution

What would he say about this horrible tragedy, if he could?

Beautiful Things assaulted me again over some of what I have written about the Travyon Martin tragedy. I was worn out, did not find any beauty or effort on her part to be level or objective, and I sent this back to her: 

“I don’t know why you are fighting this out with me, who agrees with you that Zimmerman is the cause of all of this, regardless of what color he is and Trayvon was. If Trayvon had been white, Zimmerman still would be the cause of all of it. He ought to be denied ever having a gun permit again. He ought to be taken off of neighborhood watch permanently. He may be convicted, that’s not my call, nor yours. If he is convicted of murder, he will do time. He may be killed in prison by radical blacks. If he is let off, he may be killed by radical blacks. You wrote something that caused me to think you don’t think there are blacks who are as twisted and mean as the KKK, Neo Nazis and other white supremacist groups. If that is true, you are mistaken. Already there are vicious attacks on whites by blacks saying “Justice for Trayvon.” If you do not think President Obama, Attorney General Holder, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the New Black Panthers were not out of line for the way the behaved over this, you are mistaken. You need to find someone else to fight this out with. And you might want to ponder what drives you beyond Trayvon being shot and killed. Your zeal suggests more than that, which is a lot and awful, is in play.”

Then, I was hammered in dreams about not dealing with her legal and factual arguments down the line. I swan, are those bruiser angels nice to me. So, here is what she sent to me, in two parts. My reply in CAPS. She’s not going to like it, but then, I don’t like being assaulted and threatened in dreams with grievous physical disease (MRSA) by Jesus, Michael and Melchizedek. MRSA (google it, if you don’t know what it is) pretty well describes what this horrible tragedy looks like in the spirit, from all angles.

Her #1:

And for clarification, here’s the definition of self-defense, legally:
“A person claiming self-defense must prove at trial that the self-defense was justified. Generally a person may use reasonable force when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack.
Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack.
Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force.”
- Trayvon Martin was NOT using deadly force. He is not a professional boxer or militarily trained to use his body as a weapon.
FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, ZIMMERMAN’S SIDE, AND HE WILL GET TO TELL HIS SIDE, IS TRAYON HAD HIM FLAT ON HIS BACK ON THE PAVEMENT AND WAS USING MIXED MARTIAL ARTS STRIKES AND BANGING THE BACK OF HIS HEAD AGAINST THE PAVEMENT AND SAID SOMETHING LIKE, “YOU ARE GOING TO DIE.” I HAVE READ A WITNESS HEARD THAT SAID. WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THIS HAPPENED. THE JUDGE AND THE JURY WILL HAVE ANY WITNESSES’ TESTIMINOY, ZIMMERMAN’S TESTIMONY AND THE PHOTO OF THE BLOODLY BACK OF ZIMMERMAN’S HEAD TAKEN BY A PASSERBY MOMENTS AFTER THE SHOOTING, WHICH WILL BE BACKED UP, FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, BY POLICE TESTIMONY THAT ZIMMERMAN APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN BEATEN UP. IF I WAS UNDERNEATH SOMEONE HAVING THAT EXPERIENCE DESCRIBED ABOVE, I CERTAINLY WOULD FEEL MY LIFE WAS BEING THREATENED AND I WAS GOING TO DIE. I WOULD NOT RESPOND BY SHOOTING MY ASSAILANT, THOUGH. I WOULD WELCOME IT, FOR THEN THE BRUSIER ANGELS WOULD HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO TREAT THE WAY THEY TREAT ME. YES, THAT’S NOT RESPONSE AND IS PERSONAL. BUT WHAT IS RESPONSIVE AND IMPERSONAL IS, IF THAT TESTIMONY OCCURS, IT MAKES OUT A CASE FOR SELF-DEFENSE WHICH THE PROSECUTION WILL HAVE TO OVERCOME BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, AND THE ONLY WAY I CAN ENVISION THE PROSECUTION BEING ABLE TO OVERCOME SUCH TESTIMONY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IS TO SOMEHOW CONVINCE THE JURY ZIMMERMAN MADE IT ALL UP, OR MADE UP ENOUGH OF IT SO THE JURY DOESN’T BELIEVE ANY OF WHAT ZIMMERMAN TESTIFIED. YOU WILL HAVE NO SAY SO IN THAT, NOR WILL I.
“In some cases, before using force that is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to the aggressor, a person who is under attack should attempt to retreat or escape, but only if an exit is reasonably possible.”
If it was not possible for Zimmerman to escape because TM was sitting on him, how was he able to get the gun out and off of safety? He’s getting his head “slammed” into concrete, screaming for help because although he is a grown man at peak physical strength who used to be a bouncer, he cannot fight a 150 lb teenager (?!) but he somehow got out a gun, took it off safety and shot Trayvon Martin and then got the dead weight off him without getting any of TM’s blood on his clothes or person….
YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE THAT ZIMMERMAN WILL BE ALLOWED TO TELL HIS SIDE OF IT, AND IT WILL BE UP TO THE JUDGE AND JURY TO DECIDE IF THEY BELIEVE IT. I HAVE READ ZIMMERMAN HAD THE PISTOL IN HIS WAIST BAND AGAINST HIS BELLY. IF SO, HE CONCEIVABLEY COULD HAVE REACHED IT AND, IF IT THE SAFETY WAS ON, HE COULD HAVE RELEASED IT WITH HIS THUMB, JUST AS HE COULD HAVE PULLED THE TRIGGER WITH HIS FOREFINGER. ASSUMING HE HAD A SHELL IN THE CHAMBER. IF THERE WAS NO SHELL IN THE CHAMBER, IT WAS AN AUTOMATIC FROM WHAT I SAW ON LINE, THAT ALL GOES OUT THE WINDOW. HOWEVER, AND AGAIN, ZIMMERMAN IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO WILL TESTIFY ABOUT THAT. AND HE WILL BE ALLOWED TO TESTIFY. AND WHAT THE JUDGE AND A JURY, IF THEY GET THE CASE, THEN DO WITH IT IS WHAT THEY DO WITH IT, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU, OR I, OR ANYONE ELSE FEEL ABOUT IT. I HAVE READ MARTIN WEIGHED AROUND 17O POUNDS, AND I HAVE WONDERED WHO WAS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THAT? I DON’T RECALL READING THE AUTOPSY DETERMINATION OF HIS WEIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE DETERMINATIVE.
“Courts have held, however, that a person is not required to flee from his own home, the fenced ground surrounding the home, his place of business, or his automobile.
A person who is the initial aggressor in a physical encounter may be able to claim self-defense if the tables turn in the course of the fight.”
-So even if for whatever stupid reason, TM decided to go back and look for the stranger who had been following him, a stranger who could be armed… some sort of kidnapper or pervert… or who could have other people in there with him in the backseat of the truck… instead of walking home as fast as he could, since he told his girlfriend he wouldn’t run, even if he at any point became the aggressor, and weren’t to go look for Zimmerman to confront him and provoke the fight, when Zimmerman brandished the gun, anything TM did became SELF DEFENSE.
YES, IF ZIMMERMAN BRANDISHED A GUN – I WROTE BEFORE YOU CAME AT ME WITH GUNS BLAZING, YOU REALLY SHOULD READ ALL OF THE POSTS I HAVE PUT UP ABOUT THIS HORRIBLE TRAGEDY – THAT CLEARLY WOULD MAKE ZIMMERMAN THE AGRESSOR AND WOULD GIVE MARTIN LEGAL CAUSE TO RESIST WITH DEADLY FORCE TO SAVE HIMSELF. AND, IF IN USING DEADLY FORCE, MARTIN BEAT ZIMMERMAN TO DEATH, THEN MARTIN WOULD BE THE ONE CLAIMING THE STAND YOUR GROUND LAW AND SELF DEFENSE ALLOWED HIM TO DO WHAT HE DID. AGAIN, THOUGH, ALL WE HAVE IS ZIMMERMAN’S SIDE OF IT.
“Generally a person who was the aggressor may use nondeadly force if the victim resumes fighting after the original fight ended. If the original aggressor attacked with nondeadly force and was met with deadly force in return, the aggressor may respond with deadly force.”
-So when TM was on top of him and he pulled the gun out according to his story, Zimmerman introduced Deadly Force into the fight. Why he didn’t use the threat of shooting him to make Trayvon Martin Back down, I will never know.
I CANNOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OTHER THAN TO SAY AGAIN, IF ZIMMERMAN TESTIFIES HE WAS GETTING THE BACK OF HIS HEAD BANGED AGAINST THE PAVEMENT, AND ONLY THEN DID HE DRAW HIS GUN AND SHOOT MARTIN, THAT’S ENOUGH FOR A JURY TO HAVE TO DECIDE IT. WHEN A PERSON IS CHARGED WITH A CRIME, HE/SHE GETS TO TESTIFY TO HIS/HER SIDE OF IT, AND TO PUT ON ANY LEGAL EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS HIS/HER SIDE OF IT. THAT’S HOW IT’S DONE IN AMERICA, ANYWAY. YOU SHOULD QUOTE THE ENTIRE BODY OF LAW, INSTEAD OF TWISING SOME OF THE LAW AND INTRODUCING ONLY FACTS YOU, WHO WERE NOT THERE AND HAVE NO CLUE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, WANT TO USE.

 
Her #2
I found this while reading the news on another blog and I thought it was germane to the conversation about TM’s pics:
“…flipping the bird, and taking a few twit pics with fake gold caps does not make you a criminal. What makes you a criminal is being arrested and charged with domestic violence and assaulting a police officer. Funny, George didn’t respect the police’s authority but felt that Trayvon needed to respect his! Those twitter posts and all of the crazy stuff on the Internet about this poor kid is all of misfit George Zimmerman types coming out of the woodwork. They are mad at the world because they feel they own it and people who don’t look and think like they do only have the right to exist if they are subordinate to them. You know they need to take back their country from people like us. Damn us minorities and women for not staying in our place. The entire premise of their justification of Martin’s murder is that Zimmerman had the right to stop and question Martin. I’d like to see a black man follow anyone anywhere in a SUV and not have the person be freaked out. When a white man does it the minority person isn’t supposed to be scared and has no right to stand their ground. That right is for benevolent white guys against skittles wielding scary black teens.
IF YOU HAD READ ALL I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS HOLOCAUST, WHICH IS WHAT THIS CASE REALLY IS, YOU WOULD KNOW JUST HOW LITTLE I CARE FOR THE KKK, THE NEO NAZIS AND THE POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHT. THEY ARE INSANE AND DEMONIC. AS ARE THEIR BLACK COUNTERPARTS, WHOM YOU ARE STARTING TO SOUND LIKE TO ME. AGAIN, LOOKS TO ME ZIMMERMAN WAS OUT OF LINE, OFF THE RESERVATION, PSYCHO. LOOKS TO ME HE DESERVES THE WORST THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM CAN SERVE UP. BEING A WHITE MAN, I CANNOT POSSIBLY COMPREHEND A BLACK PERSON’S EXPERIENCES IN THIS COUNTRY. HOWEVER, I WAS RAISED BY A BLACK WOMAN WHO WOULD SHAKE HER HEAD IN DISMAY OVER THE WAY “HER PEOPLE” ARE BEHAVING OVER THIS CASE. IF YOU CARE TO READ ABOUT HER, THE HOLIEST WOMAN I EVER KNEW, OPEN THIS PAGE – A Few Remarkable (Birmingham) People I Have Known – IN THE RIGHT- HAND MENU OF THIS WEBSITE/GOODMORNINGBIRMINGHAM.COM. HER PORTRAIT, “SHE WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES”, IS THE SECOND OFFERING IN THAT LITTLE BOOK. LATER IN THAT LITTLE BOOK IS A PORTRAIT, “HE WAS A PARISH PRIEST”, OF A WHITE EPISCOPAL PRIEST YOU MIGHT FIND INTERESTING, RELATED TO BLACKS COMING TO WORSHIP IN WHITE CHURCHES DURING THE TIME OF THE TROUBLES.
March 30, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.”
That comment was in answer to a post about the veracity of the pictures of Trayvon Martin. I really think you should read that article and re-evaluate whether or not Zimmerman’s lawyer would really want pics being introduced to the jury. While the Pro-Zimmerman media is fixated on the pics they feel make Trayvon Martin look like a threat to George Zimmerman, they are taken from a bunch of other pics he had on his Myspace profile. Those pics are linked in this article:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/bloggers-cherry-pick-from-social-media-to-cast-trayvon-martin-as-a-menace/
Introducing those pics to the jury might backfire. Its going to be really hard to use the pics they want to try to character-assassinate this young boy with when there are dozens of others showing him at birthday parties and playing with his dog and at an aero shop and etc. And did you know that there has been no authentication of any of the Twitter, Facebook and other social media stuff associated to TM? Not that it matters in regards to this case but if those pics/tweets/posts do come up in court, there’s a good chance that forensic analysis will prove they’ve been doctored in some instances. Even the image you have up there. There is an IDENTICAL image without him holding up the middle finger. Even if he took the pics the same time, what are the chances?
LOOKS TO ME MARTIN’S FAMILY AND THE NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA STARTED THE CHERRY- PICKING WITH PHOTOS OF MARTIN WHEN HE WAS MUCH YOUNGER. MY TERMINALLY SUSPICIOUS LAWYER MIND AND MY TERMINALLY SKEPTICAL VIEW OF HUMAN NATURE IN GENERAL KEPT ME WONDERING WHY THE MARTIN FAMILY AND THE NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA KEPT DOING THAT? ALL I HAVE SAID, TRY LISTENING TO ME JUST ONCE, IS IF THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR INTRODUCES INTO EVIDENCE THOSE YOUNG PICTURES OF TRAYVON, THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR THE DEFENSE TO INTRODUCE INTO EVIDENCE ANY OTHER PHOTOS OF TRAYVON IT CAN FIND, IF IT WANTS TO DO THAT. IF UNDER THAT SCENARIO, THE DEFENSE VALIDATES THE FLIPPING THE BIRD PHOTO AND THE FAKE GOLD TEETH PHOTO, THE DEFENSE CAN INTRODUCE THOSE PHOTOS. WERE I THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, I WOULD NOT GIVE THE DEFENSE THAT OPPORTUNITY. I WOULD USE THE AUTOPSY PHOTOS, IF THERE ARE ANY, AND LET THE JURY MARINATE IN THAT. I SAW ARTICLES LIKE THE ONE YOU PROVIDED THE LINK FOR. I SAW WHERE THE FIRST MARTIN PHOTO PUT UP BY DAILY CALLER WAS RENOUNCED BY DAILY CALLER WITH APOLOGY, AND THEN DAILY CALLER PUT UP THE FLPPING THE BIRD PHOTO, WITH THE ACCOMPANYING PROFILE SAID TO HAVE BEEN IN MARTIN’S OWN WORDS ABOUT HIMSELF. I PUT ALL OF THAT INTO A POST. I ALSO PUT INTO A POST THIS QUESTION: DO YOU THINK MARTIN’S OTHER AND FATHER WILL LIKE BEING PUT ON THE STAND BY THE DEFENSE AND SHOWN THAT BIRD-FLIPPING PHOTO AND THEN BE ASKED, UNDER OATH, IF THAT WAS THEIR SON, TRAYVON? DO YOU THINK THEY WILL LIKE BEING ASKED THAT AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN LED BY THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO TELL THE JURY WHAT A SWEET, PEACEFUL BOY TRAYVON WAS? DO YOU NOT GET NOW WHAT I A DRIVING AT? DO YOU NOT SEE YET JUST HOW BRUTAL THIS CASE COULD GET FOR TRAYVON’S PARENTS, IF IT GOES TO A JURY? THEY ARE GOING TO BE EMOTIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY CLOBBERED BY WHAT THE DEFENSE PUTS ON. AND THERE WILL BE NOTHING THEY, THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, YOU, I, NOR ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT, IF THE JUDGE RULES IT IS ADMISSIBLE INTO EVIDENCE. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE JUDGE WILL BE MOST RELUCTANT TO KEEP OUT OF EVIDENCE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE FAVORABLE TO THE DEFENSE, BECAUSE THE VERY LAST THING THE JUDGE WANTS IS FOR A JURY VERDICT TO BE REVERSED ON APPEAL, ON THE GROUND ZIMMERMAN WAS NOT GIVEN A FAIR TRIAL. IF I WERE ZIMMERMAN’S COURT-APPOINTED ATTORNEY, I MIGHT GIVE SERIOUS THOUGHT TO ARGUING ZIMMERMAN CANNOT GET A FAIR TRIAL ANYWHERE IN FLORIDA, OR IN AMERICA. IT’S THE JOB OF ZIMMERMAN’S LAWYER TO TRY TO GET HIM OFF. IF ZIMMERMAN’S LAWYER DOESN’T DO THAT, IT’S MALPRACTICE. THAT’S HOW THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM WORKS. FROM ALL I HAVE SEEN AND READ OF THIS WHITE COURT-APPOINTED ATTORNEY, HE WOULD DO SAME FOR ANY CLIENT, REGARDLESS OF RACE. AS DID I, WHEN I PRACTICED LAW.

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Beautiful Things convicts George Zimmerman again

Further conversation with Beautiful Things about not beautiful things at all …

She sliced and diced something I had replied to her:

“You believe Zimmerman banged his own head against the pavement and broke his own nose and had black eyes the next day, ”
-You say this as though the ONLY way he could have had those injuries is by having had his head banged against the pavement. I don’t agree with that.

“Martin beat Zimmmerman up and might well have killed him if Zimmerman had not shot Martin.”
-The picture I have seen of George Zimmerman after the fight do not lead me to believe that. I have seen fistfights where both people ended up bloody and neither were in any danger of dying.

“The photos and the police testimony will support Zimmerman’s injuries all the way, based on all I have see on TV and read in online news reports. ”
-Another point we disagree on. The key aspect of the police report that blows Zimmerman’s story out of the water is that Trayvon Martin’s body was found in the grass, well into the grass. That does not fit with Zimmerman having his head banged on the concrete and somehow wrestling out a gun and shooting TM right then. How did his body get on the grass?

“Looks to me Zimmmerman is seriously screwed any way it goes.”
-Trayvon Martin is dead…any way it goes. Zimmerman made the choice to kill another person and he should have the full responsibility for his actions.

“The Black KKK is just as dangerous as the White KKK.”
-How so? Is the Black KKK able to keep White people from jobs, housing and a decent standard of living? Are they in power in any areas of the country? What historical acts have they committed that show they are just as dangerous as the KKK, which has controlled the whole bureaucracy in some states, denied blacks the right to vote, destroyed their homes and businesses and kept them out of the power structure except as low level flunkies and consumers?

“What a snapshot of how screwed up America has become, and President Obama, US Attorney General Holder, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who darn well ought to have known better, really egged it on. ”
-How so? What did each of those individuals do SPECIFICALLY to “egg” anything on? What reason would they have to believe Zimmerman and to “have known better”? How can you show they were not acting according to what their sincere beliefs are?

“Might be, before it’s all said and done, our troops have to be brought home to protect Americans from Americans.”
-The only danger I see if from racist, heavily armed rednecks who are going to go abso-freaking-lutely INSANE if Zimmerman is convicted. Older Black people will march and the younger ones will beat people up at most, but the people with the real guns, money and political power are the ones we need to fear here. Especially is for whatever reason the trial is not televised.

I replied:

good thing you are not in the jury pool … hope the lawyers keep off the jury anyone who has already made up his/her mind, otherwise, we might as well be having this case tried in some place like Syria, Iran, Communist China, North Korea … God help the jurors, if they get this case and acquit Zimmerman … God help the jurors, if they get this case and convict him … God help America any way it goes, with Black KKK and white KKK and no telling what all kind of crazies and opportunists on the loose …

Post-script:

Beautiful Things apparently does not know of the Black KKK, or that they are just as vicious and racist as the White KKK - when I say KKK, I mean black and white racial extemists, regardless of what they call themselves …

Beautiful Things sliced and dice something else I had replied to her:

“The problem the special prosecutor has, Zimmerman is the only surviving eye witness to how the altercation unfolded.”
-That is not a problem for the Prosecutor. That’s a given in any criminal trial, that the accused has their version of events which always supports them being innocent or justified in having committed whatever crime the Prosecutor must PROVE they committed. The Burden of Proof is on the Prosecutor and it can be met with forensic evidence, witness testimony and other evidence. The version of the events according to the defendant is the last thing a Prosecutor should expect to help make the State’s case.

“I have a hard time believing, however, that Martin attacked a man with a gun in his hand. Maybe that’s what happened. I wasn’t there. Maybe Zimmerman had the gun in his waist band and Martin saw it and that provoked the attack. ”
-The problem I have with that is if TM was over GZ beating him and banging his head on the ground like GZ says, HOW would TM have been able to see it at his waistband??? How did he get his hands up in front of TM’s chest without him having no reaction, not having backed up or stopped hitting him (which would mean the fight was over) or TM’s fingerprints being on the gun? How was he able to get the gun out of his waistband and off safety with Travon Martin on top of him??? Physically, explain to me how that would have been physically possible because I have acted it out and its NOT possible.

In Trayvon Martin’s situation I would have definitely tried and grabbed the gun to take it from this psycho or incapacitate this man. People are acting like TM is the scary person here but that is a function of their own racial thinking- Black guy =scary. More logically, a stranger in a truck following you and coming out of the truck after you, (if there was any doubt in your mind that he was after YOU) when you finally get away, is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy scarier.

TM had no way of knowing Zimmerman’s preconceived hangups about hoodies or Black people. All he knew, as its common damn sense, is that following anybody is not NORMAL behavior. So when someone who is already not acting normally comes after you, there is nothing you can do that is not in self-defense. You don’t know what is wrong with them or if they are armed, as Zimmerman was. There’s no reason why you should do anything but whatever it takes to get away from them in defense of your life.

“Race is in play here, despite Zimmerman being half-hispanic.”
Race is in play because George Zimmerman went after a Black kid, specifically because he was Black, like the people believed to be responsible for the burglaries in the community and therefore in his opinion, suspicious. This case has been about race from the very beginning of it and saying that its not is dishonest to me.

“Meanwhile, I wish the national news media would stop using outdated photos of Trayvon Martin.”
-I could see what you were saying if TM looked substantially different at any stage in his life. He’s one of those people whose had the same face since babyhood. I’ve seen baby pics of him and have known automatically, “Oh that’s Trayvon Martin.”, he also has a brother whose a dead ringer for him.

“You can bet the ranch George Zimmerman’s defense lawyer will try to use photos of the boy George Zimmerman claims nearly beat him to death. Maybe the trial judge will disallow any photos of Trayvon Martin.”
-There’s no reason to do that. And I don’t see how he can exclude autopsy photos which will show Trayvon Martin, dead…In contrast to the two nicks on the back of zimmerman’s head and the three or four scratches on his face.

“But if the trial judge lets in one photo of Trayvon offered by the special prosecutor into evidence, that opens the door for the defense to get into evidence other photos of Trayvon.”
- Which show him to be a regular 17-year old KID. The jury will come from a pool of regular people, who will probably know 17 year olds. In the video of Trayvon shown of him in the 7-11, some more young people come in after he leaves and they appear to be white teens. They are wearing hoodies, their jeans low, and don’t look any different from Trayvon Martin. So he did not appear to be greatly different from the other kids in the community where the jury should be experiencing some great culture shock.

“And, I imagine, if the trial judge lets into evidence past not beautiful things done by George Zimmerman, that opens the door for the defense to get into evidence past not beautiful things done by Trayvon Martin.”
The difference is evidence of past not beautiful things done by Zimmerman will be material to his character and frame of mind, history of aggression and credibility. Whatever not beautiful things done by Trayvon Martin are immaterial because a) Zimmerman did not know about them, as he did not know trayvon martin, b) TM was not doing anything “not beautiful” when he was killed that might have led to his death and c) nothing gave George Zimmerman the right to take a look at him and decide he needed to take some sort of action, let alone killing him. Even if he were the biggest gangbanger with a mouthful of gold teeth and tattoos all over his face and neck, NO ONE should have a right to shoot him dead in the street for that.

And you are right, I do have Zimmerman convicted of this in my mind, for whatever its worth. He was totally 1,000% in the wrong for following that young person, he was not the leader of any registered watch program or he would have known he is not supposed to be patrolling ARMED, for crying out loud and his injuries are not serious enough to have killed over. It’s not right to me for you to pull out a gun and shoot someone for beating you up in a FIST fight!

I replied:

Actually, it is the law in every state in this country, even states which do not have stand your ground laws, which Florida does have, if you are getting beat up by someone and you fear for your life — that’s a subjective issue, is the fear reasonable? – and you are carrying a gun and you do not feel you can safely retreat – that, too, is a subject issue, is it reasonable in the circumstance to believe retreat is not safe or feasible? – yes, you can shoot and kill the person beating you up. If a prosecution is instigated, self-defense is allowed as a defense, and the defendant is allowed to state what happened and what he/she believed to be his/her peril and possibility of retreat. And then it is given to the jury to decide it. If the judge in the Zimmerman prosecution lets the case go to the jury, which outcome is not yet decided, the judge may rule the stand your law ground applies and dismiss the case; but if the judge lets the case go to the jury, they will decide if it was self defense. They, the jurors will decide. Not the judge, not the special prosecutor. Not George Zimmerman. Not Zimmerman’s lawyer. Not Trayvon Martin’s parents. Not Zimmerman’s parents. Not you. Not me. Not the blacks, not the whites, not the hispanics. The jury will decide it, just as the jury decided the Casey Anthony case, just as the jury decided the O.J. Simpson case, just as the jury decided the Rodney King case. None of those other three high-profile cases went the way probably 99 percent of the viewing public felt those cases should go. I find myself wondering if you yourself, or someone close to you, has suffered severe trauma caused by another, and if that is coloring your zeal in this horrible tragedy. You seem to me to be feeding on it, as if you have personally identified with Trayvon Martin and you will be irreparably damaged if justice as you view it is not dispensed. That’s your prerogative, but it looks to me that it is eating you up inside, which I don’t imagine is good for you spiritually. Jesus would tell Zimmerman to not mount a defense. Jesus would tell Trayvon’s parents to go public and beg blacks and whites allied with them to chill out, it’s not their problem, it’s the Martins’ problem and the special prosecutor’s problem. Jesus might even tell the Martins to find it in their hearts to forgive George Zimmerman, who seems beyond able to admit he did anything wrong; he’s not in his right mind, because he clearly did very wrong. The people lining up on both sides of this don’t look to me like they are in their right minds, either.

Post-script:

If the special prosecutor introduces a photo of Trayvon Martin into evidence, other than the autopsy photo, the defense will be able to introduce into evidence other photos of Trayvon. Perhaps, even, if the prosecution introduces the autopsy photo into evidence, the judge might allow this photo in, in support of Zimmerman’s claim that he was attacked by a vicious teen, and only after he feared for his life did he draw his gun and shoot him. Why the national news media have stupidly flashed the pretty photo of Trayvon when he was 12, but have not flashed this photo,  leaves me wondering if the the national media made up it’s mind in the beginning. Were I Zimmerman’s lawyer, I would argue to the trial judge that the photos flashed on the national and local media biased the public and any jury pool against his client, and he is entitled as a matter of law to introduce other photos of Trayvon, such as this one.

 

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