a separate reality

 Today’s psychic fair was not cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. In fact, it was due to unforseen circumstances that it is held. This exposition covers a lot of terrain really fast, terrain I have walked, and crawled, and have even passed out on. Terrain I do not recommend anyone get anywhere near, but that is not possible because I know no one who does not have the terrain inside of them, waiting or not, who can say?, to prance forth without or without notice and hold forth for a while, or for longer than that.

 
Domingo’s reply to yesterday’s the eagle’s giftpost …Recapitulation is a term used by Carlos Castanedain his book, The Eagle’s Gift, published in 1982. In The Eagle’s Gift, Florinda, one of don Juan’s party of warriors, teaches Castaneda about the process and purpose of recapitulation. She explained that recapitulation consisted of “recollecting one’s life down to the most insignificant detail” and that when a woman’s recapitulation was complete she “no longer abided by the limitations of her person.”[1]She further explained that in the process of recapitulation one recounts all the feelings they invested in whatever memory they were reviewing.

Seems to me you’ve been doing that sort of recap dance ever since I’ve known you!
Domingo sometimes likes to poke me about stuff he never once experienced, and sometimes I poke back … He didn’t say anything about a man’s recapitulation, a rather glaring and telling ommission, so I did …

Good evening, Domingo. While I suppose that describes one way to go about it, in early 1987 the angels started dragging me through a life review without my having to put out any energy except for the feelings that came up and the writhing, hollering, crying, cussing, etc. Some years later, my tormentors told me something like, “Well, you can do it now, or you can do it after you leave this life.” I took that to mean if I did it now, then maybe I could do something else later. I came to understand all human beings have this experience in the afterlife, if they don’t have it on this life. A life review, and the emotions, your side of it and the side of it for the other people involved. You may have opened Pandora’s box, Domingo.

I “found” The Eagle’s Gift in a restaurant lending library while I was hanging out on Tortola, B.V.I. in early spring 1996. Of all the Don Juan books Castenedas claimed to have written, which I read, perhaps Castenedas wrote them, perhaps he only channeled them, The Eagle’s Gift seemed the most aimed dead at me. While I do not recall today what you recapitulate from that book, I do recall a description of what I already had learned to call the dark twin everyone has, maybe it was doppelganger, and how to actually vaguely see it by sitting in front of a mirror and allowing your vision to soften and it would appear. I did that exercise many times on Tortola, and my dark twin came every time, but never to the point I could actually clear my vision and see it head-on, for it left whenever I tried to do that. It was darn spooky, and before a year had fully passed I was in a dark night of the soul that was so terrible that I was proactively suicidal every day for nearly 18 months. I came to call it the killer dark night.

San Juan de la Cruz had described a killer dark night like in his commentaries, as the second of two dark nights, which some inward travelers experienced after having the first dark night. Juan said very few survived the second dark night and were in a protected situation being cared for by people who knew what was up. Juan was one who did survive. Even more startling, he used a secret ritual to provoke the dark nights because he was dedicated to doing all he could to merge with God, it was what drove him. I knew of this from having read Antonio de Nicholas’ book, John of the Cross: Alchemist of the Soul, in the summer of 1990. May of the next year brought a dark night that onset in about three days’ time, then lifted 4 years later. It was horrible, but was wonderful compared to the killer dark night to follow. During and after the first dark night lifted, before the killer dark night, I had some amicable correspondence with de Nicholas after his publisher told me how to reach him in St. Augustine, Florida, of all places. Antonio eventually called me after getting one of my letters containing some of my poetry and some thoughts I had about his second book, which he had sent to me – Of Angels and Women, Mostly and The Sea Tug Ellegies for his daughter who had died. We talked perhaps fifteen minutes. He said I had it and theywould try to take it away from me. I couldn’t get a clear sense of what he meant by they, other than it was adverse spirit forces, which he told me not to allow to get it away from me. He said the conflict dated a long way back into old India, but I was not able to get any further glimmer.

I remain convinced I would have killed myself during the killer dark night if something had not stayed my hand. It was only after it had begun to lift and the resuscitation was starting, plenty rigorous itself, that I was told I had been in John of the Cross’s second dark night of the soul, and I had not been told that while I was in it because it was feared I would kill myself. I later came to understand that Juan, pardon my switching back and forth between his native Spanish name and his name in English, like de Nicholas’, you speak both languages splendidly, did not know there could be even other dark nights, which I came to experience. By then I knew the dark night is a super-accelerated spirit passage which by-passes the intellect altogether, runs its course, and then lifts. It is a recapitulation, but mostly you feel it, although there can be spontaneous revelations as the feelings release. Psychiatry diagnoses the dark night as major depression with suicidal urgings and treats it accordingly with psychotherapy, drugs, electroshock and perhaps confinement. None of which but confinement might be helpful, and all but confinement seriously unhelpful to destructive or even fatal to the soul, as the killer dark night is a soul process, accepted by the soul and initiated in the spirit realms, and should not be tampered by ignorant human interventions.

I also recall in The Eagle’s Gift the necessity of going though the truly awful passage of coming face-to-face with the dark twin, getting to know it intimately, and finally it integrates into you and that ordeal is over. I already had been stood in front of the mirror plenty by the time I read The Eagle’s Gift, but there was plenty more of that to go. Beside the killer dark night, 1997-1998, a serious and terrifying dark night onset in early 2004, right after you introduced me to online to a woman up your way, who had many spirit gifts but was untrained spiritual work. I did not go well between us because I was having my own Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde struggle daily, and she was not able, or not willing, to do her own inside work, which very well might have taken her into a serious dark night, as she had plenty inside of her to work through which she may not have been able to do mindfully. That dark night finally cleared around the time my father passed over in late August 2005. I run into the dark night in lots of people who are self-medicating, booze the most popular method, but other mind-altering drugs also popular. Or, they are under the care of a psychiatrist and/or psychologist and/or clinical social worker, etc., and are being treated conventionally and unaware of what is really in play. I concluded years ago that most long-term street people are in a dark night and are making it much harder and even soul-killing by chemical addiction.

I have written a few times before that I was told in my sleep in early 1991, by a voice I already was becoming acquainted with and would hear many more times, “With respect to St. John of the Cross, you haven’t seen anything yet.” Then, I was lathered in horrible, black Evil. I writhed and gasped to escape, and was still trying to escape when I awoke in panic and ego inflation at the same time, to have been told such a thing. I eventually came to understand the horrible black Evil was inside of me, and inside of people dear to me, and in the world around me, and in the spirit, and through all of it was I taken, still underway apparently.

A cloistered monk, Juan recommended ignoring all spirit phenomenon, as there was no way to discern for sure what was of God and what was of Lucifer posing as of God. Juan recommended turning ever back into the darkness, even into the blackness, until finally, if you were lucky, there was nothing left; you had shed and shed and shed and were nada, and then a Singularity was reached, experienced, and you were one with the Christ and it was finished. For me, it was the reverse. I was shown all of the phenomenon were parts of myself, or represented parts of myself, and was led to engage them all. I was shown to expand and expand and expand, to embrace it all, another kind of Singularity. Still a ways to go there (gross understatement). Best summed up in this poem given to me in April 1994, which I found myself pondering again yesterday:

Earth
The sacred prism
through which souls are refracted
into their elemental parts,
purified in Holy Fire,
then one-forged
and sent on their way
to not even God knows where,
simply because they are all
unique emanations of God,
evolving.

Another somewhat kindred poem of sorts in that time frame…

Although he sometimes tries to write fiction, when the tale is told, all characters and people in himself, all plots are stories within, there are no surprises, only his to discover the parts of himself he has lost, forgotten, thrown away, or never even knew where there; perhaps in this way he and God are somewhat alike, they both create to discover just who and what they really are.

That sure sounds like recapitulation to me, while the prism poem seems more like big bang, before the recapitulating and one-forging.

Back in that day, I called the internal work spiritual alchemy. Today, I simply call it work. It is fueled as much by the outside work you read some about in my posts, as by internal goings on. In some traditions, Gurdjieff said it, also the Sufis, it is called The Work. What people do to earn a living, put food on the table, keep warm in winter, is different.

Coming forward to a series of now seemingly related dreams which started three days ago and seem to have concluded in nap dreams this morning, my first cousin Bubba Major, who killed himself early this year after a long bout with depression, told me in a dream that he would have been helped by this information, after the previous dream had wound back the clock. Bubba and I reconnected online after my brother Major went missing March of last year and I started writing about that to my websites, which got around pretty good in Alabama and Birmingham during that time. Bubba told me he read and enjoyed everything I was writing, even though he could not bring himself to accept Major had killed himself. The more Bubba and I corresponded, the more he mentioned life was not going well for him. When I eventually received news he had shot himself, I wondered if I had let him down, not tried hard enough to intervene? I had invited him down and had told him where to look for work down here in the Keys, which might suit his background as a very good golfer. Maybe if I had written something back then of the dark night of the soul, maybe if I had thought to tell Bubba he was in it, that would have made a difference? Maybe if I had told him he would take it all with him, if he killed himself, that would have made a difference? Maybe if I hadd told him of the life review, that would have made the difference? Darn. What was I thinking, or not thinking? Why didn’t I get it what was happening to Bubba and tell him? Was I asleep at the switch? Was I preoccupied? How many times before had I told people they were in a dark night, it was God’s doing, and to try to ride it out? It would end eventually, if they just hung in there. How many times have I told people they can do their life review in this life, or after they leave this life, and they take everything with them but their bodies and worldly belongings?

Ciao

 
Domingo’s reply:


I understand!!!


Strangely enough… those who in the name of love would have you freed from your Eva Angelic dictators do not realize that you no longer give a shit about the World as THEY would pretend it to be… and without the blinders of an unconditional recapitulation… without the dark night of the soul, you are nothing… nothing but another stinking corpse who came and left with a whimper and a chestful of regrets!


Have you read R. D. Laing’s “The Politics of Experience”? He sees Schizophrenia as a journey that can lead to a higher state of integration…. if properly ministered and encouraged! A very enlightened psychiatrist… you would have liked him… unfortunately not the typical one you probably dealt with at the beginning of your journey…


Good Night, Sloan!
Domingo included these reviews of R. D. Laing’s book: 

William Starr Moake (Honolulu, Hawaii)
This review is from: Politics of Experience (Paperback)
This is the most profound book I ever read. Laing defines mental illness as an ontological crisis with the potential to be a spiritual breakthrough. He decries psychiatry for perversely thwarting this potential with various forms of torture (incarceration, drugs, electroshock, etc.) As to normality, Laing argues it is the product of a pathological “us and them” mentality underlying personal identity and group dynamics.
To be well-adjusted to our modern dysfunctional society is not healthy for the individual or society. Who is more dangerous? Laing asks: the psychotic who mistakenly believes he carries a hydrogen bomb in his stomach or the perfectly adjusted B-52 bomber pilot who will drop very real hydrogen bombs when ordered to do so?
The chapter titled “The Bird of Paradise” is hypnotically poignant in exploring the inner world of thoughts and emotions. Laing was much more than a scientist. He was a visionary who shed light on the dark role of pscyhiatrists as voodoo-like priests and purveyors of social engineering.
 

Derrick Jensen (Crescent City, CA United States)
This review is from: Politics of Experience (Paperback)
This is one of the best books I have ever read, and has influenced my thought more than almost any other. He lays bare the presumptions that are guiding our culture to destroy the planet, with beautiful writing that is clear when it needs to be and obscure when that best serves. A truly remarkable book. My own perception of the ending was different than one other reviewer who thought it was the weakest point of the book: for me it was the strongest. I read it lying on the grass in the middle of a public park so crowded people were stepping over the top of me, yet I was so moved I could not stop crying. Amazing book. 

Makula Aulanchis “wirnggit” (Jerez de la Frontera, Spain)
This review is from: Politics of Experience (Paperback)
This is an important book in which Laing pioneers a new view of “madness” and “insanity”. According to L., a sensitive person, pushed by an unhealthy environment, escapes into another reality so as not to deal with the disconnectedness and horror of the consensual reality. As a consequence, he/she is promptly classified as being “mad” by the orthodox psychiatry and its practitioners, ever so scared of losing the monopoly on sanity. During reading of the book, I sometimes had to ask myself who was really mad: the cold, anal and unfeeling parents or their sensitive schizophrenic son, whose ramblings when decoded make much more sense to me than their parents’ eerie “normality”. Another question that kept cropping up was whether our shrinks, “regular people” who are usually themselves disconnected from their emotional and spiritual foundations, are the right people to guide the sick into other realities and back again? Laing makes a good case that methods used for training and practicing of psychiatry need serious re-evaluation. This is as true now as it was in the 60-ies.
Many ancient cultures value and even encourage temporary forays into “insanity” when the initiate goes to ask the gods about the meaning of life. We have lost these initiation experiences and when they occur spontaneously in the most sensitive members of our society, as they are wont to, the psychiatrists classify these people as insane, drug them heavily and, if they encounter resistance to their authority, lock them up. The loss, sadly, is all ours. As Laing says: “our sanity is not *true* sanity. their madness is not *true* madness. …The madness that we encounter in “patients” is a gross travesty, a mockery, a grotesque caricature of what the natural healing of that estranged integration we call sanity might be. True sanity entails… dissolution of the normal ego, that false self competently adjusted to our alienated social reality “.
Our culture is a secular one in which the mystery of death and rebirth has been lost. We therefore lost the ability to help people who have stumbled into the ever-shifting universe of ego dissolution. Even worse, our psychiatry is designed to further push them into helplesness and fragmentation of the self. What should be a joyous experience, a journey into the divine, becomes a journey into hell, a true loss of the soul. Laing, in this precious book, eloquently uncovers the heartless and soulless machine that has been entrusted with this process – and that has failed, millions upon millions of times, to bring light into the darkness.
 
 
My reply to Domingo:

Get real, Domingo. There is no way you can understand what you have not yourself experienced in any way, based on our many emails back and forth since 2002 as I recall. For starters, knock the re off of recapitulation and you arrive at the word that separates you from me totally – capitulation, surrender, which is the only way to walk with God on this world. All else is mental jerking off, a joke, a lie. Self-worship is another way to say it.

No, I have not read Laing in any way. Although I have heard of him, I did not know he was a psychiatrist until receiving this from you.

Actually, early in my journey, 1986, I met a younger man who had specialized in internal medicine and in psychiatry. He had quit both after being severely crippled on the left side of his body by multiple sclerosis. A deep wound in his female aspect. He taught a personal devleopment class in the massage school I attended in Santa Fe in 1986, the year before the abduction by Jesus and Archangel Michael. He was pretty open to spirit phenomenon and spiritual growth. He was tuned in to looking inside for answers, instead of reacting to the world around you when it punched your buttons and you set out to correct what had punched your buttons instead of delving into your buttons and trying to fix them. He and others I encountered back then, including my new girlfriend who was a Los Alamos scientist, introduced me to the first take the beam out of your own eye concept, which in psychiatry might be called pulling back the projection or transference and dealing with your own shit, instead of trying to get someone else to deal with his or her shit so you will feel more comfortable.

As I said, this fellow and I became very close, and as time passed, and I developed, he came to rely some on me to help him with his own buttons, so to speak. He was the first psychiatrist I treated. Another came along, who also was a Jungian Analyst, a woman, my friend and I met one evening in a restaurant. After chatting a while with her, I said I was learning a new kind of therapy called craniosacral therapy, it was fast and deep. Would she be interested in a demonstration? Sure. So she came over to my studio and got on my massage table, and I used her craniosacral rythym mainstream medicine denies exists to dowse her psyche, and very quickly I knew she had very deep and very serious problems with her father and I took her into that and she got very upset. The time ran out, another guinea pig had showed up as pre-arranged, and I had to ask the lady psychiatrist Jungian Analyst to leave. Next time I saw her in passing, she was very cool toward me. When I finally got around to looking her up at her office where she held herself out as a psychospiritual healer, I asked if she was upset with me? She said yes, she didn’t like people she didn’t know getting so deep inside of her. I said I had warned her that the work I was learning was very quick and very deep before she had agreed to come over for a demo. She said that was her story and she was sticking to it (in so many words).

So now I had treated two psychiatrists, and would continue to treat my friend for a while, including taking him into a kidney infection that was trying to kill him, which his physician and the hospital he was in could barely hold at bay. After we got to the bottom of it, the medicine started working and the malady left him. I already knew from earlier experiences that psychatrists were as soul-wounded and screwed up as every one else, and I treated one more psychiatrist at that level some years later. She, too, bolted after it went too fast and too deep and she saw too much in just one session on the telephone, we lived in different states. Some time before that, my friend with MS and I had parted ways. Perhaps I did not handle that well, but then, he had made a serious mistake that had betrayed our friendship, and he was making life decisions that I knew in my bones were ill-advised, and perhaps it was destined to go the way it went. I had similar experiences treating other Jundian analysts, conventional psychologists, clincal social workers, psychological counselors, addiction counselors, and various kinds of healers and some gurus, and a number of Christian ministers. None were ready to really do the inside journey into their own soul wounding and attendant psychosis and even demonic possession.

And yes, from time to time in my life, before and during the earlier stages of my experiential residency in psychiatry, which is very different from what is taught in medical school, I encountered the kind of psychiatrists Laing decried, as their patient. I agree with what you sent of Laing. Schizophrenia, for example, is not what psychiatry says it is. Schizohprenia is a spiritual disturbance, whether an awakening, I would not categorically say. It comes out of the soul. It is a reaction to inability to cope with this world’s servings and conventions. It is a product of soul wounding. It is an internal attempt to fix the problem that this world caused and has no way of fixing. Same for other mental illnesses psychiatry treats, which are not rooted in birth defects or physical brain damage of some kind, on in chemical poisoning, such as can occur when exposed to heavy metals in drinking water.

Probably it is fair to say psychiatry’s mental illness is a kind of dark night of the soul that never ends because this world does not and often cannot give it the freedom to run its true course. Some mentally ill people need constraint for their and/or other people’s own good. The drugs used, though, are barbaric and cause more problems than they solve, as anyone who has taken them surely knows. I have taken the drugs and know from the direct experience, and from having had quite a few friends who took the drugs. I did my psychiatric residence in the field, like an antrophologist, something psychiatry has cleverly managed to avoid doing since its inception. No psychiatrist should be licensed who has not lived six months on a locked ward and who has not taken for six months every drug he or she prescribes. Meaning, a residency in psychiatry should take about 20 years before license to “practice” is issued.

Most street people I have known would be diagnosed with some form of mental illness by psychiatry, separate from any chemical addiction which many street people also have. They became street people because they were unable to cope any longer with mainstream ways and thinking. Using the R.D. Laing analogy, to try to force street back into mainstream ways and thinking is insanity. Just as insane as trying to force a person with schizophrenia to not be schizophrenic. Just as insane as trying to force a person who really is in rational congress with angels into not being in rational congress with angels.

I was diagnosed in early 1997 as schizoaffective, a catch-all diagnosis for when they cannot say “for sure” that you are schizophrenic or bi-bolar. Maybe you are both, or a hybrid. I diagnosed my diagnosers as delusional because they presumed to know what they were diagnosing without themselves having had the personal experience with it. Beause I was unusual, because I was not fitting the mold, I must be mentally ill therefore. God only knows what psychiatry would do with the Jesus of the Gospels were he around today, although a very good treatment of that scenario is found in the movie Man Facing Southeast. I think it was filmed in Brazil, perhaps Argentina. Subtitled. You should have no trouble following the dialogue given your many languages. Should be what all psychiatric residents have to watch the very first day of their residency.

As for you and me, Domingo, you do not understand me any more than Castenedas understood Don Juan when they first met. You do not understand me any more than the Pharisees understood Jesus. You do not understand me any more than the psychiatrists who presumed to treat me understood me. In their presumption, they were insane. Is not insanity being out of touch with reality? Is that not the fundamental precept of insanity? You learned nothing from reading Castendas, Domingo, because you cannot learn anything from reading Castenedas unless you have that kind of experience yourself. To understand a separate reality, you have to live the separate reality. To understand the eagle’s gift, you have to live the eagle’s gift, including being marinated in your own dark twin until you are going mad over it. To understand congress with angels, you have to live congress with angels. You live vicariously through what you read, what you discuss with other people. From your ivory tower you cannot possibly comprehend anything until you live it yourself, which was the real point of Castendas’ books.

The Mayor of Key West and the loony tunes he has drawn to him to assist his truly displaced and delusional crusade to “help” homeless people is no different from what R. D. Laing decried re psychiatry. It is no different from Christians sailing off to the so-called Holy Land to kill Moslems in Jesus’ name. It is no different from Christian evangelists going into aborigine cultures and telling them they are going to die and go to hell and burn there forever because they have not been saved by Jesus. It is utter and total insanity. Worse, it is demonic possession. Maybe the angels will have me write about that grim subject more fully, since I seem to have a somewhat different training there than the religious people have, and since demonic possession, like God, is not part of the psychiatric cirriculum. Nor part of your cirriculum, Domingo.

Ciao

I think maybe I added an s to Casteneda, such is life …

the eagle’s gift

From Hawkman in Alabama yesterday, responding to yesterday’s a prayer for the Keys post:

 
One of the best things to come through you lately.From rainforest in the Keys yesterday, responding to yesterday’s post:

Sloan,

Thank you for writing this poem, A Prayer for the Keys. I have read it through twice now and will read it again before going to bed. I want to comment on it line for line but writing does not come easy for me. I’ll just give you some of my thoughts and reactions I experienced while reading it if it’s okay with you. If not, hit the delete key as I don’t wish to bore you with my unsolicited opinions. Here goes:
 
You have stood up and spoken for what is right while others sat mute.
Many times
over and over
you see behind the masks,
you pull the curtain back, exposing the fake wizards
You have done it well and you are exhausted
We – those of us who also see the sham
and the shame
each try in our own way to make it right
any effort is not futile
but it can be so gut wrenching,so heart breaking.
you are exhausted
You say your health is suffering and no wonder. You have been fighting a war. THEY have not won.
They WILL be defeated.
It may take more time but Mother Nature will nurture the Keys- and the earth
And you.
For a while, forget about the assholes, the shallow blind bastards
be lazy in your yard and be healed by mother nature and our beautiful Keys
You have done way more than your share. Sometimes all you need to care about is yourself.
From what I’ve seen you standing up for over the years and giving a voice to the homeless and those who can not speak up…and exposing corruption, carelessness and stupidity,
well, it’s overdue for you to be a bit selfish.
May your dreams bring healing and love
 
My response to Hawkman and rainforest:
 
Thank you.
 
I do not analyze or discuss the meaning of poetry that comes though me, as it has its own meaning which my mind may grasp in part and miss entirely in other parts. What I will say about yesterday’s poem is the first and longer part, which ends in Ho, was prompted by perhaps a dozen dreams during Monday’s night’s sleep and two ensuing naps during Tuesday, in which I tore into the Conchs. The second part of the poem, which also ends in Ho, was written twice. The first time, Tuesday evening. The second time after several dreams Tuesday night, which were so cosmic that they caused me to substantially modify the second half of the poem.
 
Please understand, everything I post is arrived at in this way, more or less. I see every post as part of a larger tapestry being woven with different qualities of thread, all relevant and important and necessary to the larger tapestry. Perhaps the poem yesterday heralded a shift in how my personal life will go, perhaps it had nothing to do with my personal life but was solely about the work I do. Time will tell about that. For I do not determine my own personal itinerary any more than I determine my work itinerary, as the two are one and are orchestrated from beyond my conscious mind and personal will.
 
I get up each morning and do what is before me to do. Somewhere in there, I eat breakfast. Then, nearly always, I go back to bed and take a nap. Then come more dreams, which can be corrective, preparatory and/or instructive. Later in the day, I very often take another nap, and sometimes I take three naps in a day, all naps filled with dreams. All of my dreams are corrective, preparatory and/or instructive. Some dreams also are restorative. Someone like Carl Jung might have quite a difficult time trying to fit my dreams into his dream paradigm. My dreams are like conversations with God, with God doing most of the talking and me doing my best to understand. Sometimes I get to do the talking in dreams, and a good bit of that happened in the dreams that led into part one of yesterday’s poem, and also in the dreams that led into part two.
 
Imagine only speaking English, then being taught Chinese. Imagine then dreaming in English and in Chinese. Imagine it all being in code. Imagine someone who has not had the same identical linguistic and encryption training trying to figure it out. LOL, it’s stretch enough for me to figure it out, and I get a lot of help from beyond when I cannot figure it out. Any adept shaman would understand this. Any adept shaman would know yesterday’s poem was a shaman poem. Any adept shaman would know that no shaman determines where the Spirit World will lead him or her.
 
Ho is a word I picked up from spending time around Native Americans and their white followers at Native American ceremonies conducted for white people. Not sure exactly what Ho means, but my sense is it’s an acknowledgement of what has passed by and its connection to the Great Beyond. I make no claim to be conversant in the Native American ways, even though sometimes I have visions and dreams that seem similar to those ways. Sometimes I have visions and dreams that seem similar to African aborigine ways, and to Australian aborigine ways, and to Taoist ways, and to Hindu/Yoga ways.
 
My spirit training was orchestrated by angels, not by human beings. My spirit training was beyond this world and encompassed various spiritual traditions of this world and spiritual traditions not of this world, as far as I could tell. The dreams that set up the second part of yesterday’s poem were from a realm beyond anything I have experienced on this world, in flesh and in spirit. The poem yesterday is alive, it is living spirit, and will play out on this world in its own way. How it plays out in my personal life I may or may not report, even if I understand how it plays out, for I may not understand, or it may be some time before I understand, and I may or may not be told to report it.
 
I may do some piddling in my vegetable beds, if I feel up to it. I piddled at Coco’s Kitchen yesterday, after State Attorney Dennis Ward called and said he was headed from Key West to his Marathon office and did I want to join him for lunch? Together, we piddled with Rose and her mom Coco, and with a few of the other patrons. The banter was fun. Then, I drove down to Key West to get a temporary Medicare card issued and my lost one ordered, prelude to the medical expenses I will incur getting the cancer sore on my arm attended. Could cost a bundle, as the surgeon wants to do the procedure in the hospital under general anesthesia. I’m still hoping for a Divine Interruption of that method in favor of a Divine Cure, but time will reveal that.
 
After leaving Social Security, I caught up with my chess teacher and friend Patrick McElvoy at Harpoon Harry’s and enjoyed getting clobbered maybe ten times before I felt I’d had all of that fun I could take for a day. I drove home and did couch potato before the TV and played chess with my laptop and bantered with my rat cat Miss Kitty, with mostly the same outcome as with Patrick, but not nearly the fun, because the laptop and Miss Kitty don’t carry on fun conversation with me while they are tearing me a new one.
 
I have plenty of work to do today thanks in part to a dream before dawn not having anything to do with the Keys political scene. It will grind me internally, just as the Keys political scene grinds me internally, just as going to Marathon to get bloodwork done for the surgeon will grind me internally. Shamans are ground internally, it’s part and parcel of what they do and who they are. If they get a vacation, it’s at the pleasure of the Spirit World. I haven’t had a vacation since I was abducted in early 1987 by Jesus and Archangel Michael. They and their spirit cohorts were my shaman teachers, and then they taught me something else, which made the shaman training seem wonderful, although it was anything but wonderful.
 
I would love for my dreams to bring me healing and love. I would love to be a bit selfish. I have a pretty modest wish list in the big scheme of things, which I keep taped to my refrigerator.
 
Ho.
 
I usually can be reached at keysmyhome@hotmail.com, or at sloanbashinsky@hotmail.com.

a prayer for the Keys

From rainforest to yesterday’s as the Bash world turns …post, which (rainforest’s reply) almost moves me to tears.

Sloan, Sorry to read that the Keys have lost their glow for you. You are part of what MAKES the Keys glow! Your daily writings and concern for the homeless and all that goes on in the Keys is sunshine in a dark room. We would be bumbling around in the dark, stepping on each others toes without the light you and your words shine on all the items and obstacles scattered around. The glow you cast on a daily basis is just enough light to let us see how to dance. Thank you

Actually, I am moved to tears
Tears not for the Keys
Tears for exhaustion
Tears for beating my head against a coral wall
Tears for hearing from a ray of sunlight
Tears for what I lost by getting involved

From age 14
from staying at the out of the way funky Ocean Reef Club
from going fishing one day with Capt. Angus Boatwright out of Whale Harbor
from discovering the Green Turtle Inn
from waiting days for the sun to shine so I could go out with a guide bone fishing
from being on the flats all day and seeing two skittish bonefish on the outside of Key Largo
from cussing God for not making better weather
from counting the days until the next year’s spring vacation at El Capitan in Islamorada
from catching a bonefish
from learning to see bonefish in the water
from learning to pole a skiff
from learning to catch bonefish on my own
from taking other people bone fishing for the sheer joy of watching them catch a bone fish
from wanting more than anything to be a flats guide
from age 14 wanting to live in the Keys and call them my home
from never having the guts to do it
from being sent here after everything else fell through
from living on sidewalks with no money
from starting all over from scratch
from being put in charge of sewerage collection and treatment
from staring in disbelief at what had become of me
from getting up every morning and dragging myself forward
from hearing fools preach to homeless people
from watching fools hold forth in government meetings
from my love affair with the Keys crumbling and eroding
from my health going way south of the southernmost point
from my dreams falling into the dust bin
from my longing to be with the woman of my dreams dying
from my poetry becoming an epic tragedy
from my soul art dying in childbirth
from my words circling back to mock me
 
I died in the Keys
I was beaten and gave up and died
I no longer enjoy fishing
I no longer enyoy being on the flats
I no longer care for a place run by inbreds
I tolerate the ruling class as they tolerate me
I see them pulling the strings others do not or will not see
I see them at their social gatherings basking in their royalty
I see them better than they see themselves
I see the parasites they have attracted from the mainland and groomed
I see them better than they see themselves
Familiarity breeds contempt
Their poison has poisoned the very coral itself
Mother Nature must be really distressed
Maybe she is more than distressed
Maybe she is pissed
Maybe she will wield her power and take back what is hers
There is no way Conchs will do it for her
They proved so many times
Let the Conchs duke it it out with Mother Nature
Let their mainland parasites experience the perfect storm
Let the truth come to light
Let the sun shine through
Let it be seen for ever after who rules the Keys is not the Conchs
They only think it so
They have shit where they lived
They have polluted their home
They have betrayed Mother Nature and their very own souls
 
You would know this if you had lived in their gutters
Wallowed in their sewers
Attended their churches
Sat through their government meetings
Watched their code enforcement games
Listened to their concern for human life during hurricanes
Heard them preach about building affordable housing
After they had widened the roads and bridges
While they issued new market rate building permits unceasing
As if the Keys were Texas or Siberia
And they fret and fume over a few homeless people
Made so by the society that invented them
They have no clue what is meant by invasive species
Let Mother Nature teach them
Because they do not listen to their own kin
Let Mother Nature ponder the movie Avatar
Let her decide whose side she is on
Let her run for public office
Let her attend and speak at candidate forums
Let her write editorials in the newspapers
Let her do interviews on US 1 Radio
Let her host her own websites
Let her write daily tirades and homilies
These are her islands in the sun
I’m just a man who once wanted to live here
Because I was in love with the Florida Keys
Until the Conchs and their parasites from the mainland
Became my bed mates and business partners and church congregations
And I became unable to separate them from what I had loved since I was 14
 
Ho
 
I dreamt off and on about that poem for 24 hours before I knew it was a poem
Maybe it resurrected what I once loved
Maybe it is time for the rainforests to fight for the Keys too
Perhaps watching The Emerald Forest will show them another way
Perhaps they will stand up to the termite people
Perhaps they will start their own websites
Perhaps they will risk what they love
Perhaps they will attend government meetings and give no quarter
Perhaps they will run for office
Perhaps they they will watch The Emerald Forest and learn a different way
I could not be more serious
You cannot fight Conchs and their immigrant parasites on their turf
You have to jump their system altogether
You have to paint bulls-eyes on your front and back
You have to be willing to lose everything you hold dear
Including living in the Keys to have any chance of winning
I could not be more serious
You cannot win on their turf
I proved it
Draw Mother Nature and the stars and comets into the mix
Think and operate outside the box
Leave them guessing what you will next do
Be willing to die to live
You are The Resistance
You are the rays of sunshine
You are the moonbeams
You are the starbursts and exploding galaxies
You are the rainbow comets who paint heavens beautiful and make angels sing
You are the key deer and dolphins and starfishes and seahorses and mermaids
You are The Résistance
You are The Résistance
You are The Résistance
Resistance is not futile
You are The Résistance
You are the rays of sunshine
You are the moonbeams
You are the starbursts and exploding galaxies
You are the rainbow comets who paint heavens beautiful and make angels sing
You are the key deer and dolphins and starfishes and seahorses and mermaids
You are The Résistance
Resistance is not futile
You are The Résistance
 
Ho

as the Bash world turns …

From Baker in Birmingham yesterday:

Sloan! I went to a psychiatrist because of my supposed INFERIORITY COMPLEX. He took some serious notes and said, later, that he had some good news and he had some BAD news.

I said: “OKAY! I NEED the good news FIRST…Baker, the GOOD news is that you do NOT have ANY sign of an INFERIORITY complex….the BAD news is that you really ARE inferior !!! Oh, me……it never seems to get better !!!

Pretty good joke, Baker. Twice today, I found myself mulling the amount of “psych” training I’ve had. It started in later 1986, steadly increased in depth and intensity after that, through 1999. 13+ years. Was taken into all sort of horrible crap inside of me. Accompanied quite a few other people through same in them, but only one person, perhaps, as searing as what I was put through in myself. She turned out to be wife No. 6. Very tuned in woman, it turned out after just a little bit of inward travel unlocked her. Angel-led inward travel, I was just the the waterboy. I can’t imagine a psychiatrist or a psychologist having anything close to the internal training I was put through, in themselves, in their clinical training, in their practices. The entire field seems to me to be in its infancy, and the chemical and electroshock sections of psychiatry, lumped together, seem like a lot of guess work, requiring more guess work, requiring more guess work, as chemical dosages are adjusted and side effects show up and chemicals are needed to deal with the side effects. Barbaric. I don’t claim to have any cures for much of what psychiatry treats. Looks to me like only a supernatural intervention can provide cures for most mental illness. I have treated people with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, compulsive-obsessive disorder, panic disorder, multiple personality disorder. Not many, but some. I have spent lots of time in groups of diagnosed with those and other disorders. I have seen people diagnosed with mental disorders identify with the diagnosis. I have seem them talk a lot about God, but none of them looked to God for a cure, or asked God for a cure, not in those groups anyway. They talked about their symptoms, their meds, their psychiatrists, new drugs that might come available. They talked about being saved through Jesus. It was seriously depressing to be around them. I was having enough trouble of my own, and they viewed me as being in denial that I was like them, talking about angels and God messing with me. I knew for a fact angels and God were messing with me, and demonic spirits. I knew it just as I knew I was breathing and eating, because I was experiencing it. I was seeing and hearing and feeling it. I concluded psychiatry and psychology were just another religion, without the God sector. I do not accuse psychiatry and psychology of being mean-spirited. I accuse them of being in infancy in their understanding, and that seems to me to cause a lot of problems, even as it seems to diminish symptoms which themselves are problems. I suggest again the movie, Man Facing Southeast. It’s a dilly on this topic. Right, it ain’t entirely of this world. Not the world of psychiatry, anyway. Maybe more later.

Later …

I used to have a serious inferiority complex, which showed up in egotistical affect and all sorts of activities in which proving myself was an element, sometimes risky, mostly just he-man. After being abducted in early 1987, abducted by angels, slowly but steadily I was weaned from the need to try to prove myself and was attached to the sense of needing to try to keep God happy with me. Today, that’s the only pleasing I try to do, and I simply do not measure myself by what other people think of me. I would say I’m my biggest critic, if I didn’t get corrected ongoing my the abductors. No matter what I do, no matter how I do it, according to them I need improvement, more work, more changing. It never stops. Every day is a refresher course, and there were periods after the first 13 years when the training was every bit as deep and strenuous internally.

 From Ginny in Jupiter Beach yesteday:

Sloan,

How are you staying so involved with the town of Key West while living a bit north [don't know how far] in Pine Key?

There was an article in the POST TIMES here about how many people are planting what we called VICTORY GARDENS in the 1940′s.

Michelle Obama talks about the problem with obesity in America, yet the problem now is that healthy foods are too expensive. Green and red peppers cost $2.98 a lb here, lettuce is up to $1.79 [it was 29 cents a head in the 1960′s. Peaches are $2.00 a lb, Avacados $1.49 to $2 each. Canned vegetables jumped from 89 cents a lb to $1.39. Sadly, the poor and the elderly can’t afford the healthy foods and even BREAD has jumped to $2.00 and $3.00 and $3.79 a lb. It’s frightening! The reason the poor become obese if they aren’t starving is that they tend to eat more carbohydrates, potatoes, bread, starch, etc;

I know we are going into another RECESSION– What’s the possibility of getting the homeless organized to start planting VICTORY GARDENS, creating a GREEN MARKET with the produce?

Plant that AVOCADO TREE, LEMON, LIME, ORANGE, GRAPEFRUIT MANGO TREE on your land so you can be self sufficient.

Best, Virginia

Hi, Ginny.

I lived a lot longer in Key West than at Mile Marker 28, which is about 23 miles from the upper end of Key West. I read The Key West Citizen daily. I talk with Key West people – “spies”. The angels make me keep up and write about Key West. Almost all of the issues I write on are old stuff still playing out down there from when I lived there, ran for mayor three times. I imagine some people down there wish I would shut up, others egg me on, so maybe I’m getting pretty close to the mark. Even so, if it were my call alone to make, I’d opt for laying off of writing about Key West politics, and about county politics too.

Have the same problems with the county writing, have run three times for county commission, almost all of the issues are old stuff still playing out, I attend county commission and oither county meetings, I have spies all up and down the Keys, some people wish I would shut up, others egg me on, the angels won’t let me out of writing about the county stuff either.

All of this political stuff still feels to me like a couple of blood-kin warts the angels grew on me on top of what I was trained to deal with, which sometimes bleeds through in the Keys websites posts, much more frequently at the Birmingham website – so far. Have not been involved in any Bham or Alabama politics yet, hope it stays that way, as I know very little of what goes on up there, other than occasional tidbits someone sends me, or it makes the national news. Don’t really care about Bham and Alabama politics, either.

Was trained to write and speak into the heart of spirit matters that play out in human ways. The training was deep and very personal, and it was deep and very personal for people brought to me to practice on, then not practice on but really try to help with angel backup ongoing. There is not much about the Western Civ human psyche I have not seen up close and personal, and I have seen some of the Eastern Civ human psyche and some of the aborigine psyche. Am far less comfortable there, than in Western Civ psyche, and seldom do any work away from Western Civ psyche. Knowing some of the Eastern Civ spirituality helps when I run into it in Western Civ psyche work. Many Americans, Europeans, for example, give up on their Western root religion and attach to an Eastern religion. Have had quite a few of them show up on my doorstep, although not so much lately. Still get New Age people on my doorstep. Lots of them are into Native American spirituality, to which I have some exposure. Used to get lots of Christians, but seldom now. It’s rough going there, too. Perhaps I was put into politics to give me a “rest” from working so hard with people around their religions.

I keep reminding you that I only have a little topsoil over limestone bedrock on my place, and I can’t plant those tropical fruit trees here. I have one small lime tree that is not increasing in size, that puts out about a dozen and a half limes a season. It struggles hard in the dry season. It’s not a true key lime, but is something like that grafted onto a different kind of lime tree stock. The real key lime trees are wild. Tough as hell, I don’t know of any near here. Have seen what seems like the same wild lime around Isla Mujeres and Cabo San Lucas, it must be indigenous to subtropical-tropical latitude. I have an avocado plant, which I put into a pile of mulch the county made from local treess and shrubs, to give it some room for its roots to grow, but it’s not putting out any new growth. I have some banana trees and sugarcane and pineapple growing in another pile of mulch, in a natural swale than collects water, which they can tolerate in large amounts. Some young coconut palms in progress. 4-5 wild sappodilla trees, wonderful fruit, but hard to get to when trees get tall.

Most garden vegetables have to be grown in raised beds or containers. Bugs a serious problem. Also key deer and peacocks around here. Where the now wild chickens are, very rough on vegetable gardens. None at my place, but a neighbor has a few hens for egg-laying. If a rooster got loose on this island, it could end up being like Key West and Stock Island, and the area around the Big Pine Key shopping center – free-range chicken heaven. The only vegetables nothing seems to like are mustard greens and arugula, which are seriously pungent. Some herbs grow okay down here – aloes and rosemary especially. Basil does pretty good. Sage and mint, if kept watered. Have to be protected from summer sun. Star fruit seems to grow okay down here, but the two star fruit trees I planted in 2006 croaked after some time passed.

Where I live, about 3 feet about mean-high tide, a hurricane storm surge (a very high tide, not a tidal wave) would cover my place and the salt water residue would kill anything not salt tolerant. Last such storm surge was Hurricane Wilma in the fall of 2005, which was before I bought this place. The wild trees and shrubs came though okay, but not the imports.

I told myself yesterday, I have given up trying to farm this place. I seem to be headed out of here, like out of this life. I’m incrementally losing interest. Mucho spirit work, very little fun, no lady companion, body wearing out and breaking down, I never look forward to the next day. Maybe something will change that, but it won’t be people preaching to me. It will be a real change in my life that causes me to want to stick around. People can no more talk me into changing my outlook than I, or anyone, can talk a long-term street person into changing his/her outlook.

Ciao.

Sloan

On another Alabama front, I called a buddy in Birmingham yesterday and left a voicemail asking if he knew why Nick Saban and not given his backup quarterback more snaps in the Arkansas game after Alabama had the game put away, and why, also, he had kept his star running back Trent Richardson in the game until almost the end?

Here’s what he sent back:

Did not hear Saban’s press conference today but am sure someone asked the same questions you did. You might check AL.com in the morning to see if his answer was reported, and I will try to pass on whatever I hear. Remember to keep your mouth shut in the bars down there this weekend! The Gen

President Barack Obama was in the Oval Office when his telephone rang.

“Hello, President Obama, a heavily accented southern voice said. “This is Archie, down here at Joe’s Catfish Shack, in Mobile, and I am callin’ to tell ya’ll that we are officially declaring war on y’all!”

Well Archie,” Barack replied, “This is indeed important news! How big is your army?”

Right now,” said Archie, after a moments calculation “there is myself, my cousin Harold, my next-door-neighbor Randy, and the whole dart team from Hooters. That makes eight!”

Barack paused. “I must tell you Archie that I have one million men in my army waiting to move on my command.”

“Wow,” said Archie. “I’ll have to call ya back!”

Sure enough, the next day, Archie called again. Mr. Obama, the war is still on! We have managed to acquire some infantry equipment!”

“And what equipment would that be Archie?” Barack asked.

“Well sir, we have two combines, a bulldozer, and Harry’s farm tractor.

President Obama sighed. “I must tell you Archie, that I have 16,000 tanks and 14,000 armored personnel carriers. Also I’ve increased my army to one and a half million since we last spoke.”

“Lord above”, said Archie, “I’ll be getting back to ya.

Sure enough, Archie called again the next day. President Obama! I am sorry to have to tell you that we have had to call off this here war.”

“I’m sorry to hear that” said Barack. “Why the sudden change of heart?

Well, sir,” said Archie, “we’ve all sat ourselves down and had a long chat over sweet tea, and come to realize that there’s just no way we can feed that many prisoners.”

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If you are from Alabama, you know there are people living there who would not take that as a joke. As in that’s how they secretly think. I listened to the post-game interview, nobody asked Coach Saban the questions I wanted to ask him. I wrote back to my friend to say I probably would watch the Alabama-Florida game at home, but if I went somewhere to watch it, I’d keep my mouth zipped. Here’s something I wrote to someone in the Keys yesterday, who had sent me an article about another Alabama head coach.

Hi, Joe. I met Coach Bryant a few times when I attended law school at Alabama. Because of his and my father’s relationship, I got a pass to the practices. A red pass, which meant I could get into any practice. I must have watched dozens of practices after law school let out daily. I remember one day I went over there and the fellow at the gate said it was a closed practice and I showed him the red pass and he let me in. Before I got very far, Coach Bryant asked the fellow who had let me in what he was doing, it was a closed practice? He fellow said I had a red pass. Coach Bryant looked down at me from the tower where he oversaw and saw all, recognized me, said he was sorry, it was a completly closed practice. I said no problem, the apology was mine. Give ‘em hell Saturday. And I left. I saw Kenny Stabler play three years at Alabama while I was in law school. They had very good teams the first two years, a pretty good team Stabler’s senior year. One National Championship, after an 8-1-1 season, when Stabler was a sophomore playing behind Steve Sloan. Alabama passed Nebraska blind in the Orange Bowl that year and time ran out before the Cornhuskers woke all the way up. I was in the Orange Bowl stadium that night. We were staying at my father’s place in Islmorada, drove up for the game, then back down. The best team was Stabler’s junior year, 11-0. Killed Nebraska in the Sugar Bowl. Notre Dame and Michigan State had tied and were given the National Championship because otherwise they were undefeated. Coach Bryant was beside himself, that was when he coined the phrase, “Going for a tie is like kissing your sister.” That Alabama team would have clobbered Notre Dame and Michigan State. I doubt there was a better Alabama team than Stabler’s junior year. I don’t know if I was afraid of Coach Bryant, but he was formidable and always warm to me. Something I wrote a few times years later, although it may not have been all the way noble, when Coach Bryant integrated the Alabama team because he was tired of getting beaten by Southern Cal and Nebraska type teams, the entire SEC integrated, in all sports. Then all the southern high schools integrated, and all the private schools, and all the grammar schools. Maybe I stretched it a little in the earlier telling, but it looked to me that Paul Bryant did more to integrate the south than the US Supreme Court, the US Department of Justice, the FBI, Marthin Luther King, etc., etc. combined, because everyone in the south wanted their football team to win and everybody knew white teams could not compete with intergrated teams in the big leagues. I did not know the Bryant family were buried at Elmwood in Birmingham. My family, too. But not my father and mostly likely not me. Sloan

I usually can be reached at keysmyhome@hotmail.com, but as the days pass, I wonder if my impending sense of checkout is more about moving back to Alabama, than back to the Pleiades, or wherever I came from? The Keys have pretty well lost their glow for me, and I blame it all on having run for office six times down here. As late as 2007, I wept when I reached the Overseas Highway coming down here, and I wept when I left the Keys. No longer. I blame the angels for it, as much as the politics, since it was the angels that made me run for office. If you think I ever would have run for office on my own initiative, you are a hell of a lot crazier than you think I am.

Ciao

 

joke of the day – Sloan

Comments yesterday from the best friend I ever had in the first grad at Crestline Heights Elementary School that I don’t remember.

SLOAN! Making a Joke-of-the-DAY will help. It’s homemade from scratch…the best kind: What did the attorney name his son and daughter? WILL and SUE!!

What did the bird watcher name his daughter? ROBIN !!!!!

What is the ONLY name they will NOT hire for a BANK job? “ROB”

Hell, Baker, every day of my life is the the joke of the day. The angels force the wisdom through ages through me and people laugh at me.

Sloan-0! It reminds me of a saying a young lady said…in JEST, I THINK: Men are from JUPITER. That’s why we’re STUPIDER. Oh, well…maybe so.
My mind is sooo tired after 69 years of HUMANS! I REALLY LOVE my stray dog and cat! They accepted me even after they knew me. The women EXCEPTED me after they knew me! Take care, my man! Roll Tide and Go PiKappa Alpha !!!! Bake

From time to time down here in the Keys, when I’ve met someone new and finally am asked were I’m from, I say “Jupiter.” Other times, I say, “the moon.” Other times, “not from this planet.” After 69 years, most of my body is worn out and tired, my mind, mouth and libio seem still in pretty good shape, my mind and mouth get lots of exercise, while my libido was gotten thee hence to the male version of a nunnery. The cat I got from the pound to keep the rats out of my trailer barely tolerates me, even though I saved her from hell. I don’t take that as a good sign that I will be released anytime soon from the male version of a nunnery. Last time I got into an online discussion with my old Vanderbilt Kappa Alpha fraternity brothers, with a couple of exceptions, I felt I was in congress with kids in diapers. I put on my diapers whenever the Tide plays, and sometimes I mess in them. Can’t seem to grow out of it, although sometimes I tried. Must be a blood disease, or a redneck disease, or something else fatal. After tying the knot seven times, I still haven’t received my PhD degree in wemins studies. I’m going to shut my mouth before I get into real trouble.

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Maybe it was more wemins studies, in a dream before rudely being woke up before dawn, I was with my fifth wife, who attended St. Luke’e Episcopal church in the po’ Crestline side of The Tiny Kingdom when I was with her. She lived way down south of Bham. She was all lathered up top and bottom over something, and doing a darn good job getting me all lathered up, then she said her period had come on and so sorry. I was left hanging and writhing, woke up, still hanging and writhing, wondering what in the hell that was about? Something important, I imagine, came close to conceiving, but ended up in the no bananas bin.

She was always wanting me to go to doctors about stuff, and every time I did it didn’t turn out too well for me. Finally, I told her she would pay for the doctor visits, if I kept going and the doctors couldn’t fix what she wanted them to fix. She stopped bugging me about going to doctors.

She also kept trying to convert me to capitalism, which would have suited me just fine, if God would have allowed it. I would have loved to make the big bucks she was making. Still would love to do that. We might still be together, had that come about.

But then, she also keep bugging me to be a normal Christian and I seriously doubt I would still be attending her church, which was my mother’s church, and is my sister’s church. If I had not quit attending, likely I would have been excommunicated. I was not even then of the view that going to church had anything to do with dying and going to heaven. She was of the view that if she didn’t go to church, she would die and burn in hell.

In the Episcopal defense, she was raised Baptist.

Not in the Episcopal defense, my mother had converted from Baptist to Episcopal and it had not save her from what was bothering her. It didn’t save me. Nor does it seem to have saved my sister.

Maybe the dream about No. 5 wasn’t about any of that. Maybe I should have listened to myself and shut my Jupiterian mouth. Or was that my Venusian mouth? In my spiritual program, 5 is the number for the feminine and while she and I were together, No 5 was told she had in her all the female archetypes. I was never with a woman like her before or since we met, and I will go to my grave wishing she had found canoeing with me on Lake Purdy more to God’s liking than driving all the way into Mt. Brook to spend one hour in a church building where the sun did not shine and there were no great blue herons.

I can usually be reached at sloanbashinsky@hotmail.com.

Otherwise, I’m somewhere else.

I put up three posts today. Here are the other two links:

Key West Junior League Homeless Help. brain transplants Florida Keys style. 

 

major medical – Sloan

The other day in a nap dream, I was paid a visit by Monroe County (Florida Keys) Commissioner Sylvia Murphy, who said she was looking forward to my “major medical report.” Therefore …

Received this morning an email from Sylvia’s and a lot of people’s good friend, Kay Thacker, saying her cancer had returned and she is going back in for more surgery and then more chemo therapy, and she asked me to pray for her. I hope you all will join me in praying for her.

On my personal medical front are replies to yesterday’s medical trivia post at goodmorningbirmingham.com, re the cancer sore on my left forearm and other medical intrigue, my reponses trail the replies …

From old Birmingham friend Linda …
 
. . . stupid fantasy – that you are doing angels’ work and getting beat up a lot in the process. However, I don’t think that doing angels’ work gets you poisoned and punished with cancer, because you’re plainly doing the very best you can by your inspiration, and giving your entire life to it. I am therefore very relieved that you’re getting some help with the arm. You very well MAY have asked for it because you’re often sick of living, so let God and the surgeons fix it. This reminds me a little bit of the old joke about the guy on the roof in the flood, waiting for God to rescue him– you know it, I’m sure. I sure can’t impose my dim understanding on what the angels are doing through you, but I DO feel sure that they’re not beating you up because you displease them once in a while.You are a good and faithful servant, and one of whom God asks much because he must particularly be interested in and trust you.So there– them’s my thoughts. Love . . . Linda

Hi, Linda. Thanks for writing and your concern and thoughts.

Yeah, I know that joke well, and even thought of it the other day …

Nor do I think doing angels’ (imposed) work gets me punished with cancer, but it can give me cancer because of how horrible the crud is in the spirit surrounding the work given to me to take on. Getting beat up by the spirit crud, and by demonic spirits, goes along with the terrain this work entails. Shamans deal with that ongoing, taking on the sickness in members of their tribe and working it out in themselves for their “patients” who cannot work out out for themselves. In the Gospels, it says Jesus took on the sins of the world, which he may well have done, and he was crucified and did not view it as punishment, although it surely felt like it. A book comes to mind, which might really interest you. The Majus of Strovolos, about a Christian shaman on Cyprus. The later books about Daskalos not as good, I didn’t think. He got cancer from time to time, healing people he knew of cancer, then he was cured of it. One of his many interesting singularities. The book above is available online:

 
In this vivid account, Kryiacos C Markides introduces to us the rich and intricate world of Daskalso, The Magus of Strovolos. In what appears at first to be an ….

This cancer sore is mysterious. In two different nap dreams earlier today, I was at the home where my family lived from my age 7-14. I’m staying observant for some more informative re that time. It occurred to me again today, I had dreams about her a few nights ago, that this might be related to my mother who died of cancer, which started in the lungs, then spread. I later came to view it as covert suicide because she was unable, or unwilling, to deal with stuff re her parents, especially her mother, and her marriage to my father. I came to think had she dealt with it, she would have lived longer. I wrote of that in a book. The angels never corrected me for writing it. Perhaps something very deep still in me working to the surface that I picked up through her. It’s not just the sins of the fathers that are visited on the sons (and on the daughters) for several generations. I am not aware of anything I am dodging, I deal with everything the angels tell me to deal with, so I don’t see how the cancer sore might be related to my mother in that way. But I can’t ignore the setting of the two nap dreams, the home during my adolescence. It won’t surprise me if I start getting more clear insights as I move toward seeing the plastic surgeon Tuesday afternoon, and even after that, leading up to the procedure, which I imagine will be scheduled for a later time. Wouldn’t surprise me, not really, for the sore to be gone on its own by the time of the procedure. Now wouldn’t that be something to write about and start the tongues to wagging? Probably not a good idea to think like that, but the angels had me write about them curing the MRSA and, come to think of it, no tongues started to wagging. It was as if I didn’t even write it, or nobody read it, or nobody believed it.Maybe more later…Sloan

 
P.S. Sunday. Trying to get out of the sack this morning, very slow rising today, it occurred to me that when we lived at that home and I got sick, I was tended to by my father’s brother, Leo – regular medicine, so I suppose that is part of the message in those dreams. Yesterday was very rough physically. Not punishment, Linda. Spirit load manifesting physically. I’m a human sewage treatment plant. It’s always rough, but frequently it’s super rough, and yesterday was super rough and today might be, too. However long it takes to process it in spirit, then it will ease until the next big load is dumped into me. The writing is simply part of the excrement process. I bet this discussion would make for a lovely Sunday homiliy at that old-line Presbyterian church you attend and love so much. I really do think you would find Deskalos interesting. I found myself thinking yesterday that he should be required reading for every person in Christendom. As for my work load, I have written many times, The angels told me in early 1987, during the abduction, “This will push you to your limits but you asked for it and we are going to give it to you.” Sloan
 
Also yesterday, this from the ever-prodding Dr. Morticia, M.D., of Locust Fork, Alabama …

 BLESS YOU.. I am glad you went to Dr.

 NOW will you ask your regular doctor to check your REVERSE T 3.
 
You sound like someone in my family that could not hardly move. Could not walk from back door to car without giving out.. He was admitted immediately to hospital. They were about to do a test procedure on his heart thinking something major was wrong there. THEN they did Reverse T 3 which IS the only accurate thyroid test in my opinion and my dr’s. My family member had low thyroid. They started treating him with meds and guess what. Cured symptoms. 80 years old and working and going like he was 50.
 
I have a regular checkup. My thyroid showed perfect on regular test. But since I have insulin resistance they decided to do Reverse T3 on me..My thyroid is so messed up.. I am on meds for it. It did not show up on regular test.
 
Plus when my blood sugar was out the roof I was one sick person. I got it under control and the diabetes does not show up.
 
LOOK I AM PROUD OF YOU AND MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED that you are going to the plastic surgeon.
 
I am not giving up on you. I AM STILL PRAYING and will be praying until the Lord calls all of us home!
 
I do not like the majority of doctors. I have three that I trust with my life.. the rest I would not give you 5 cents for. But I know what messed up thyroid, blood sugar will do. It nearly killed me. I just got my test results back and they were perfect. 3 years ago. I was afraid I was not going to be here.
 
How is the Bells Palsy? Better..I HOPE SO. Keep us posted on your arm. THANK YOU LORD FOR YOU GOING!!!
 
M………

My reply:

 You were hovering at GMB waiting for today’s post? I ask, because you wrote almost immediately after I put the post up. Stalking comes to mind.

I have no regular doctor, although I could go to the Family Practitioner who first diagnosed the skin sore as cancer, I think he said squamous. He takes walk-ins, and I walked-in.

I can’t not ask if the various chemicals you are on and/or what they treat in you have something to do with your inability to sleep?

I saw a TV commercial for some new medicine yesterday, darn, what was it supposed to fix? Whatever, after the praise report came the massive potential side effect warnings, one of which was the overwhelming urge to kill yourself, and to see a doctor immediately if any of the symptoms showed up. The overwhelming urge to kill yourself usually overrides all else, so do you call your doctor after you kill yourself? What is that product even doing on the market? Right, $$$ is more important than anything.

Will worry about thyroid later, unless I get signals to worry about it sooner.

Weird, today’s post is loaded with interesting, maybe even important medical trivia, and not a peep from you about any of it.

 PS
 
The Bell’s palsy you ranted and bugged me past dead to see a doctor about is aroud 80 percent improved and seems to be hovering there. Sometimes symptoms increase a little when something serious bad shit-like comes around, usually involving something male – the Bell’s palsy took out the right side of my face. The right eye still waters, and it seems the vision in my right eye, always the weaker eye, is worse than before the Bell’s palsy onset. It never got to the stage where I lost all use of the right side of my face and was drooling, but it was bad enough and all the glands in the lower right jaw got hot as hell, indicating indeed it was viral, as I’d had plenty of experience with that before. I have wondered if the Bell’s palsy was derived from that and if its onset was the start of a cure of the older trouble? Crazy people tend to think in that way, but it’s too soon to tell about that.
 
Right now, my front-burner concern is whether the Crimson Tide will kick the Razorbacks’ asses this afternoon, or vice-versa? My next most concern is whether or not my shitter will work today? I was concerned until yesterday, whether the other night I had met a lady companion at Looe Key Tiki Bar I could get on okay with, she seemed interested. But as I was thinking on that yesterday, out of nowhere came this big mean looking pit viper like you see in the tropics (not in the Keys), and I could not help but think that was the angels’ way of telling me to steer clear of her in the romance department. I figured there might be a problem, as she smoked pretty regular something like cigarillos while we talked for a good while. Smoking tobacco is a signal (in my spiritual program) of being infected with evil.
 
I never once smoked a cigarette, although for a while after I started practicing law, I took up pipe smoking, partly to be different, distinguished, cool. But I kept burning my mouth and tongue, and it stunk up the law office, and I quit after a couple of years. Also, took up coffee drinking pretty heavy when I started practicing law, mostly in the morning, several cups. Then, I started getting bad headaches in the afternoons, and finally I wondered if the coffee was the reason and I stopped drinking it and the headaches quit coming on. Later, I discovered when I drank an occasional cup of coffee, before long I would be in serious hypoglycemia. I understood why, from physiology training in massage school. Caffeine excites the adrenals to produce adrenalin, which excites the pancreas to produce more insulin, which puts people prone to hypoglycemia into low blood sugar and the shakes until they eat something to cure it temporarily. So I don’t do the caffeine drug either. Nor the alcohol drug, as about three hours after drinking a beer or a glass of wine, I fell like I ate dog shit or something. I figured for years the hypoglycemia eventually would turn into diabetes, and in 2003 my old internist told me in a dream that I had diabetes. From time to time after that, I was told in dreams to stop drinking, and I pretty much did, but sometimes I would have a beer or glass of wine. The dreams kept after me, and I quit altogether about a year ago. I treat the diabetes with what I eat and staying off booze.
 
When I have those kinds of experiences with my dreams, I tend to ignore people who give me medical advice. Not only because of the dreams, but because history has proven they always were wrong.
 
I remember once when I ignored that, after I was asked in my sleep, “When are you going to write a book about your leukemia?” I awoke scared shitless. Didn’t tell my wife because I didn’t want to alarm her if it wasn’t a medical dream, but if I had told her, she would have told me to slow down and look at the real meaning of the dream. But having reverted to stupid man thinking, I went to see an internist I had met recently, who was somewhat spirit-oriented. I told him the dream might be a spirit message, but I felt I needed to rule out the possibility it really was leukemia. He agreed, did the tests, which came back negative. Only then, several hundred dollars lighter, did I tell all of this, not to my wife, but to a woman friend of ours, who was pretty tuned in. Right away, she said, “Sloan, leukemia is a blood disease, that dream was about bloodlines.” Of course, she was right, I knew it instantly, and I knew the meaning instantly. My Grandfather Bashinsky had died of leukemia, and he had dominated me and my father, and that was what I was supposed to write about, which I actually then did, first in a non-fiction book, then in a novel, but I never made the connection back then to what I had been asked in my sleep. When I told all of this to my wife soon after her friend had straightened out my stupid man thinking, she was pissed. Rightly so. I had cut her out when I should have included her. She would have told me about the same thing her friend told me. Dumb stupid man, me.
 
I wonder if the cancer on my arm is something like that, but having to do with my female ancestry? No way is it so simple as going to a doctor and getting it removed, although that might be part of the ordeal I have to go through to get it worked out. Nothing that happens on this world to human beings is what it appears to be. There always is a spirit component.

Sloan

Dr. Morticia M.D. replied:

One question.. You saw a REAL SNAKE or in a dream??? You said mean viper. You dont need the angels to give you a sign on that one.. STEER CLEAR.

I can not stand cigarette, pipe, or any kind of smoke. Not for you.. Or I hope not for you.

You have to admit. I have not bugged you about anything medical. I figured I’d let someone else give you the “business.” It has been pretty quiet from my neck of the woods. I have kept my yapper shut!

I will say one thing you sure have a heavy load all the time don’t you?

Are you sure that was a woman? I never see women smoking cigarillos.. are those not those small type of cigars? did you look to see if there was an Adams Apple??????

I guess you are glad your team won!

M

A snake in a vision, Morticia, I was not asleep. As I wrote, “But as I was thinking on that yesterday, out of nowhere came this big mean looking pit viper like you see in the tropics (not in the Keys), and I could not help but think that was the angels’ way of telling me to steer clear of her in the romance department.” I have lots of visions, mostly when I’m waking up or falling asleep, but not always. I sometimes hear things when I’m awake, too, but usually when I’m asleep, or just falling sleep or just waking up. You bugged me to death about going to a doctor over the Bell’s palsy. I considered buying a muzzle and shipping it to you. I was told in early 1987 I would be pushed to my limits. There are lot things you haven’t seen Morticia. Yes, I’m sure it was a woman and she was smoking black cigarettes. I talked with her over an hour. I figured out she was a woman as soon as I saw her. Actually, there was nothing to figure out, it was obvious. A petite woman, at that. Yeah, I’m glad Alabama won, Arkansas gave up a lot of big plays. Next week, Alabama plays Florida. I saw Florida play last week. They won’t be easy for the Tide to whup, but maybe it will go better for the Elephant than the Gator. Alabama has a rough schedule this year. If they go undefeated, it will be a serious achievement. I might drink a beer over that, just joking. Morticia, I have so many things wrong with me, I just can’t get real worked up over just one of them. What’s amazing, my libido seems still okay. But for what? Sloan

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medical trivia

Today starts with an update on the cancer sore on my left forearm, and my related sentiments. As you read what follows, consider that the angels drilled into me that the herd, the majority, mainstream, is always wrong. Always.

After months of dreams and plenty of other signals indicating this cancer sore is a spirit process and not a medical condition for a doctor to attend, and after dreams and plenty of other signals to the contrary, and after watching the sore slowly grow larger and uglier, and after begging repeatedly for a direct order to go to a medical doctor or leave it alone and getting no such order, I decided to go back to the surgeon in Key West, whom I had seen once before about it. I was down there on something else last Monday and after taking care of that I dropped by the surgeon’s office to try to make another appointment. She came into the waiting area as I was telling her receptionist why I was back. The doctor and I said our hellos, and she asked why I was there? I told her, she said for me to take a seat. After finishing up with a patient, the doctor took time to talk with me. She looked at the sore, said it was larger and she could not remove it and close the wound. It would take plastic surgery to close the wound and she did not do plastic surgery. She had seemed concerned about that the first time I saw her, but because I was trying something else, she did not complete the workup and ended our visit without charging me. After telling me last Monday why she could not do the procedure, she referred me to a plastic surgeon, whose card she had. I called his office a little while later and made an appointment for early next week.

I know this news thrills some of my friends who have been worried sick about me. However, it does not thrill me. I view it as a catastrophic defeat. If I do the spiritual work I am given, that protects me. That is my training. I blew important spiritual assignments that caused the MRSA skin infections in 2003, which led to my being told in dreams that I was dying. I then moved into Florida Keys Outreach’s entry shelter on Patterson Avenue in Key West. The next day, I went to the free medical clinic, and Dr. Ian Garriques took one look at the abscesses and picked up the house phone and called Dr. Michael Klitenick, a surgeon who was doing rounds and came pretty soon to see me. He said I needed surgery immediately, scheduled it for that night. Although I hated it, I had no philosophical problem with that outcome because I knew from other dreams and my life experiences that spiritually I had brought the MRSA onto myself. After medicine then could not stop the MRSA skin infections from returning, the angels told me in a dream they would take care of it, and the MRSA went away, even though I had brought it on myself.

I have not been told I created this cancer sore, which now looks about as bad as a MRSA abscess. You would not believe the corrections I receive in dreams for me to get just a single writing assignment okay to suit the angels. Day after day, night after night, I am corrected re the next writing assignment, double time when there are two writing assignments, triple time when there are three. I also get corrective dream advice ongoing about personal relationships, to keep me on track there. I get dream advice about national and even international situations. I get dream advice about spirit world goings on. Yet for something like this cancer sore, I get gibberish. The angels healed me of MRSA I brought on myself, but they are leaving this cancer sore alone. All I know about the sore is cancer represents evil (in my spiritual program) and the left side of the body tells me the issue is about the female essence (in my spiritual program). Two nap dreams this morning may have given me the time period in my adolescence in which the cancer is rooted. Other dreams in the nap seemed to hammer me for not publishing this post already today. Except for this and the previous two sentences, this post was completed last night, and I was waiting on dream clearance to publish it, which only came in the nap dreams this morning.

I sometimes wonder if I subconsciously willed the cancer because I had given up and didn’t want to be on this planet any longer? I sometimes wonder if that is my hemlock? Even so, I will see the surgeon next week, if I’m still breathing and can get there on US 1. I will go through that ritual and pay the doctor’s fees the angels could have avoided. I will give up my stupid fantasy that doing the spiritual work given to me provides the cure and the angels could heal this cancer sore as a singular demonstration that I do not invent the angels. Meaning, maybe I do invent them. Maybe I am crazy. I had told the angels several times they would not like what I wrote about this.

Meanwhile, this medical wisdom forward from a salty Key West amiga …..

Master Doctor Chen

Q: Doctor, I’ve heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true?

A: Your heart only good for so many beats, and that it… Don’t waste on exercise.. Everything wear out eventually. Speeding up heart not make you live longer; it like saying you extend life of car by driving faster. Want to live longer? Take nap.

Q: Should I reduce my alcohol intake?
A: No, not at all. Wine made from fruit. Brandy is distilled wine, that mean they take water out of fruity bit so you get even more of goodness that way Beer also made of grain. Bottom up!

Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio?
A: Well, if you have body and you have fat, your ratio one to one. If you have two bodies, your ratio two to one, etc.

Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program?
A: Can’t think of single one, sorry. My philosophy is: No pain…good!

Q: Aren’t fried foods bad for you?
A: YOU NOT LISTENING! Food are fried these day in vegetable oil… In fact, they permeated by it. How could getting more vegetable be bad for you?!?

Q: Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle?
A: Definitely not! When you exercise muscle, it get bigger. You should only be doing sit-up if you want bigger stomach.

Q: Is chocolate bad for me?
A: Are you crazy?!? HEL-LO-O!! Cocoa bean! Another vegetable! It best feel-good food around!

Q: Is swimming good for your figure?
A: If swimming good for your figure, explain whale to me..

Q: Is getting in shape important for my lifestyle?
A: Hey! ‘Round’ is shape! Well… I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets.

Remember Grasshopper:
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways – Coffee in one hand – chocolate in the other – body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming “WOO-HOO, what a ride!!” Master Chen

And this from Madame Doctor Wong Fat:

For those of you who watch what you eat, here’s the final word on nutrition and health. It’s a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting nutritional studies.

1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

3. The Chinese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans..

5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

Conclusion: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

 

God, aliens & the seven sisters

So, the past few days, I did some sprucing up of the homepage of goodmorningbirmingham.com – a number of illustrative photos to jass or whatever up the text, and some new text.

I keep getting spam comments bearing kudos from a Viagra distributor, and today I felt like writing back to say keep the Viagra and send me a pill I can drop into a bowl of water and out pops a horny woman sort of like the damsels above, but flesh and blood.

Back on planet earth, just joking, today brings a sequel of sorts to the recent deism posts, to which Sancho Panza replied:

“You should both stick out your tongues and chop it off!!! ……. and feed it to hungry a cat! Gracias”

To which Don Quixote replied:

“Now why would I want to abuse a cat like that? Make you a deal, Sancho. You live in my skin for a while, I live in your skin for a while. Then we go back to our own skins and compare notes. On second thought, we might both regret it.”

The important discussion aside, here’s comic relief from the state mental …..

Received this yesterday from a Key West fellow, who is very much in favor of the Socratic method of discussing issues, which seems related to the two recent deism posts. Since the hemlock solution, I have tended to favor other methods of discussion.

Jerry wrote:

I’ve been busy these last weeks. Science has not. ‘Seems scientific research is not immune to the current financial distress. Even Steven Hawking is taking a break from research and posing some opinions on subjects that interest thinking people.

It is very easy, even for thinking people, to confuse urgent issues with critical issues. The current election, banking and finance law, and increasing ones income are all urgent issues, but no matter who is elected, or if the US suffers a financial meltdown or if you go broke, the world will still go on. However, if Steven Hawking is right, and if aliens find us, the world will not go on!


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Me to Jerry:

The God don’t exist and aliens do exist articles appealed to me by topic, so I read them, or most of them. The other two topics did not cause me to read them.

I saw a documentary on Hawking, where his wife, who finally had left him, said she had tried to help him not start thinking he was God, or smart as God, or something like that. In an earlier documentary on Hawking, perhaps the first one, I recall him saying somethng about the kind of physics he was pursuing might reveal the mind of God. So he seems to have flip-flopped a bit, and I wonder how he would deal with a head-on visitation from some of my supernatural friends, who have no problem traveling about instantaneously anywhere they decided or are told to travel, light speed not even factored into their travel plans. Of course, I can prove none of that and feel no need to try to prove it. What I experience is the proof for me, just like getting clobbered in the balls by a hard hit ground ball when I was about 11 was the proof for me of what that felt like. I could not prove what it felt like by talking about it, but if I clobbered another fellow in the balls, that would prove it to him. As for aliens, Hawking and the counter pointer are both way behind the curve, new kids on the block. I have had direct contact with aliens and a space ship. I cannot prove it, and don’t need to prove it. I saw, that was the proof. Same with angels, the ones you want to have around, the ones you don’t want to have around, sometimes called demons or Satan or Lucifer. I have seen, felt, heard them. That’s the proof. I don’t have to prove them to anyone else, to prove them. They exist regardless of my being able to prove them because I have had the direct experience. Physics and rational discussion is pretty limited in such discussions. I can no more prove any of my not-of-this-world experiences by the Socratic method, than Socrates himself could disprove them. I have to wonder if Socrates would try to disprove something, if he knew it was not something you could nail down in a laboratory or court of law, or hit with a hammer, or saw open and look at? I don’t know, because I don’t think I ever knew him, or if I did, I forgot. I probably would be willing to wager a tidy sum of soul capital, which nobody could weigh nor assay or put into a human bank account, that human beings were seeded on this planet by aliens, and that aliens, or angels, they are not the same, also fiddled with indigenous earth creatures, genetic intervention, to upgrade a species to set it on a course toward sentience. And the upgraded and the seeded species interbred at some stage, a way of further upgrading the local tribe. Of course, none of that can I prove, but it makes as much sense to me as amoeba crawling out of lake bottom and becoming tadpoles, which crawled out of mud and became birds, which stopped walking around and grew wings and flew, and then somehow decided to walk around and become monkeys, or whatever, which somehow became sentient, although nobody has a fucking clue how that happened, unless you factor in God did it, or it was a great cosmic serendipitous event, a total accident, which would probably rile Stephen Hawking up a bit, as he sees nothing but order in the universe, although I imagine he’d have a bit of trouble finding order in a thermonuclear explosion if he happened to be inside of it at the time it happened. I can’t help but wonder if there isn’t something more palpable that people can worry about, like where’s the rent money coming from for this month, how am I going to make the car payment next month, will my girlfriend still be around next week, what band is playing tonight at my favorite dive? Of course, Hawking being all bound up in that AMLS disease can’t do anything about any of that, but then, he can’t do anything about God or aliens, either, but ponder them. I agree with the counter point, Hawking missed the boat on God, but darn if I can prove he missed it. One tribe of aliens finally gave up abducting me because if how unpleasant it got once they had me on board. They weren’t accustomed to being preached to about angels and God, as they thought they were that, but some weird shit happened that persuaded them maybe they had gotten a bit mixed up about their position on the great pecking order totem pole. So disgruntled, they would bring me back. Then, a new commander would take over and they would grab me again, and the same story would repeat, until finally, maybe they had a collective consciousness learning curve, they just lost interest in me and stopped snatching me. I didn’t care for them either, and it was the mother ship that dumped me here that I kept looking to come back and get me off this bizarre world. Now you are probably wondering if I am crazy, or if I am pulling your leg, or if I am serious? What does it matter? I could not prove to you I am crazy, or am pulling your leg, or am serious, nor could you prove the opposite. What’s to be made of that? Fuck if I know. I’m pretty sure, though, that Albert E. was a bit off when he said nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. I can’t prove he was a bit off, but I’m pretty sure Archangel Michael could prove it, if so inclined. As could the aliens I have seen, if so inclined. But again, perhaps I’m crazy, or just pulling your leg, or am serious. You will never know because, even though I know, I can’t even prove or disprove it to myself, so what’s the point?

Ciao

Jerry to me:

Everything you have written here is rational and none is impossible. I don’t think people know what the word rational means. Even people who claim to be only rational. You might find my 8 fundamental assumptions really interesting. Of course the difference between alien invasion and paying the rent is the difference between critical and urgent. Few make such choices to their or their loved one’s advantage.

I gather you aver to be from the Pleiades (flock of doves) (seven sisters.) What I did not know is that you were deposited here on earth against your will and sought or still seek a way off.

Did I understand correctly?

I myself also lament that there are no space ports on this rock, although, I feel this way for a different reason than you. I would not want to trade my humanity with any creature anywhere, despite his access to space ports.

Were you biologically “born” on a planet among the stars of the Pleiades? Or are you of some non biological nature?

Jerry

Me to Jerry:

I have known a few schizophrenics who believed they were perfectionally rational and all around them were missing the entire point. In their own minds they were sane, although I was not persuaded. I have known a few doctors who were convinced I was schizophrenic, or closely related. They felt fully justified in their conviction, and I felt they had their heads eight miles up where the sun never shines. Alas, in one situation, they had the power and I was incarcerated because they had their heads eight miles up where the sun never shines. They will go to their graves knowing they were right, and they will go to their graves full of shit for thinking they were right. As I read your 8 fundamental assumptions, as I moved toward the end, the ass-u-me position started coming to mind. I didn’t realize, perhaps I should have, that you are a Christian fundamentalist, but I assure you Jesus was no more the Son of God than you or I, except he knew what he was and I can’t say you or I know what we are. Did I just then say Jesus was not the Son of God? No I did not just say that. I just said you and I are the Son of God, but we don’t know it. As Jesus tells his disciples somewhere in the Gospels, according to that scribe who heard it from someone else, who may have heard it from someone else, they could become like but not greater than him, and the things he did, they would do and even greater. Now how could that be, if Jesus was God, unless they all were God? I swan, I recall nowhere in the Gospels Jesus ever saying he was God, although he did say, as reported he said, if people had seen him, they had seen the Father, did he have a Mother? And he did say, as reported, he and the Father were one. And he also said, he only knew what the Father had revealed to him, which meant, he had not had everything revealed to him, so how could he be the Father, if he didn’t know everything the Father knew? For sure, he, Jesus, in the Gospels, a handed-down bunch of stories nobody can verify today by any method the Socratic method would sanction, I don’t imagine, any more than the Socratic method could sanction thousands of stories I could tell, and some I do tell, was a seriously-accelerated soul in human form. So accelerated that, I imagine, the people around him truly believed he was the Son of God. All of which is so unimportant compared to what he is reported to have taught about how to live correctly in that time and probably in this time, all of which seems to have gotten lost in the debate of whether or not he was the Son of God, the pity. While a few individuals back then, and in later times, got the point he tried to make, and became accelerated souls, or even super accelerated souls themselves, in main, it was an experiment that didn’t work out. Christendom today is the living proof it did not work out, and that, I suppose, could be successfully argued in a Socratic forum, although I doubt a single Christian would buy into it. Who can prove, or disprove, that Jesus came from the Pleiades? Who can prove or disprove he availed of technology unfathomable to human science today, to be transported and arrive in a human fetus? There is no way to prove or disprove Jesus was or was not Pleiadean. There is no way to prove or disprove that the Plieadeans seeded this planet with a colony, and those were the gods of old who walked with earth humans. Am I saying that is what happened? It is irrelevant what I say, it would not change what happened, or did not happen. It would not prove a thing, nor disprove anything. I’d rather be at Looe Key Tiki Bar having a beer, if I could still drink alcholol, than arguing about stuff nobody will ever be able to prove or disprove by any method of argument. The great rationalist thinking Deist Thomas Jefferson viewed Christianity as a dangerous superstition, as did other of his peers, and that’s why they added the separation of church and state requirement into the US Constitution, and the freedom to worship any religion, and the freedom to speak freely, and write freely. They understood all too well from what had happened in church-dominated European states, what Christianity was capable of unleashing oh human beings in Jesus and God’s name – unimaginable horrors that became all too imaginable. I’d rather be coming onto by a biker chick at Looe Key Tiki Bar, than fooling with this shit. I could do something I like with a horny biker chick, I can’t do anything with this shit, but sling and catch it. All said, I imagine there is zero chance the universe just happened, and I think there is zero chance the universe and God are one and the same. God is God, all else is of God, including even the Devil, although it would kill that one to admit it. If you read the Kings James version the way I was shown to read it, you see where the Devil came back at a more opportune time, after not prevailing during the three temptations, and you see the Devil had better fortune that time, and I imagine that could be successfully argued in a Socratic forum but no Christian present would agree with it. Nor would any Christian agree with a number of other things from the KJ version that I imagine could be successfully argued in a Socratic forum. I’d rather be playing chess with Patrick McElvoy in Key West, than arguing with Christians about anything that has to do with the Bible. At least getting beat by Patrick is fun, while talking to Christians about God and Jesus is, at best, sometimes amusing, and nearly always aggravating as hell. Could say the same about talking with followers of any religion about their religion’s precepts. Just got through doing that with a Deist on the goodmorningbirmingham.comwebsite, the deism and deism, continued files. What a trial, having to deal with that sweet but mixed up lady. The spirit shit was awful, it’s still working its way through this human sewerage treatment plant, don’t ever sign up for human service. Try to avoid it, if possible. I think I don’t want to do that equivalent with a Christian just yet. I can only stand so much self abuse before I turn into a werewolf and started clawing and eating people, then later not remember any of it, conveniently. I have every reason to believe, were Jesus to be among American Christians today, saying to them what he said to the Pharisees 2000 years ago, the outcome would be about the same, although I imagine psychiatry would lead the charge. Did you ever watch the movie, Man Facing Southeast? Perhaps you should, if you can find a copy at Netflix, etc. K-PAX was a pretty good copycat.

Jerry to me:

Lotta words saying exactly what I said in the second to last paragraph of my 8 fundamental assumptions

“I can not provide any proof of any of these assumptions.” That is why they are assumptions.

But you didn’t answer my questions:

I gather you aver to be from the Pleiades (flock of doves) (seven sisters.) What I did not know is that you were deposited here on earth against your will and sought or still seek a way off.

Did I understand correctly?

Were you biologically “born” on a planet among the stars of the Pleiades? Or are you of some non biological nature?

Me to Jerry:

I did answer the questions directly, but not in a way that you view as direct.

Jerry to me:

If you don’t want to answer questions directly, just say, ” I don’t want to answer questions directly.” Personally, I don’t mind answering questions directly.

Me to Jerry:

As I wrote already using different words, we all are non-biological in nature and sometimes we don biological apparel. I already answered your other questions directly, also. I didn’t send you nearly as much to read as you sent to me.

Sloan

keysmyhome@hotmail.com

 

 

deism, continued

Well, heck. Cindy won’t let it go. She came back to me yesterday, under this subject header “RE: diesm …..SHARE GOD.” My reply to her in CAPS:

She wrote:

The Bible is not God (I had written that to her)

Now you speak!!!!!

AMEN !!

Thats the way you see it THATS THAT! I do agree

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON, CINDY? I PLAINLY WROTE TO YOU, GOD IS GOD, THE BIBLE IS THE BIBLE. YOU INVENTED I SAID THE BIBLE IS GOD. YOU INVENTED ME BEING A CHRISTIAN. YOU INVENTED ME BEING A SCRIPTURE FIRST, GOD SECOND PERSON. YOU INVENTED ME BEING SOMEONE WHO HALLUCINATED ANGELS BECAUSE I READ ABOUT THEM IN THE BIBLE. I’M JUST NOW WONDERING IF YOU ARE UNDER THE CARE OF A PSYCHIATRIST. READ ON.

Not from the Bible how do you know of Angels, Hell, Jesus. supernatural, Satan & dmonic Spirts , that come from an un-learned Spirit as I see it.

I HAVE EXPLAINED UNTIL I AM SICK OF TALKING WITH YOU THAT I KNOW ANGELS, JESUS, SUPERNATURAL, SATAN & DEMONIC SPIRITS, AND ALSO THE SPIRIT OF GOD FROM HAVING ONGOING DIRECT EXPERIENCES WITH THEM, WHICH KICKED OFF IN EARLY 1987 AND INCREASED IN TEMPO UNTIL IT BECAME WHAT IT IS TODAY. LIKE YOU, I FIRST HEARD OF ANGELS IN CHURCH AND BIBLE READING, BUT THAT IS NOT WHERE I EXPERIENCED THEM. I WAS LONG AWAY FROM GOING TO CHURCH AND BIBLE READING WHEN ANGELS CAME CALLING.

I no longer preach teach or try to educate I share if interest Questions I engage in converse,I learn only from LIFE of God (THAT IS WHAT DEISM MEAN)

YOU HAVE LEARNED NOTHING FROM MEETING ME IN LIFE, CINDY. FROM THE GET-GO, IN MANY WAYS, I HAVE TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT DEISM REALLY IS, AND FROM THE GET-GO YOU HAVE NOT HEARD A WORD I HAVE SAID, AND HAVE EVEN TWISTED PARTS OF IT INTO WHAT I NEVER SAID. WHAT THAT TELLS ME, CINDY, I HAD A DREAM TONIGHT SHOWING IT, ALTHOUGH IT WAS MY IMPRESSION ALL ALONG, IS YOUR FEMALE ASPECT IS NOT-FUNCTIONING, YOU ARE OPERATING OUT OF THE MALE ASPECT, A BIG FEATURE OF WHICH IS THE RATIONAL MIND. THE SAME TROUBLE AFFLICTS CHRISTENDOM, JUDAISM AND ISLAM. THEY LACK THE FEMALE ESSENCE. THEY ARE ALL RATIONAL THINKING, ALL OUTPUT. THEY CANNOT RECEIVE, THEY CANNOT CONCEIVE, THEY CANNOT CREATE. THEY ARE STERILE. TRUE DEISM IS LIVING IN DIRECT INTERACTIVE COMMUNION WITH THE ALMIGHTY, OF WHICH ALL HUMAN BEINGS HAVE A SPARK, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE HEART. READ ON.

SRUGGLE ?

YOU ARE IN CONSTANT STRUGGLE, CINDY, IT PERMEATES EVERYTHING YOU WRITE TO ME. YOU ARE AT WAR WITH AUTHORITY, DISPLACED FROM UNRESOLVED WARS WITH YOUR PARENTS, CHRISTIANITY, SCHOOL TEACHERS, ETC. I FOUND MYSELF WONDERING TODAY IF YOUR PARENTS WERE RELIGIOUS FREAKS, OR IF YOU CAME UNDER THE SWAY OF A CHARISMATIC MINISTER WHO TURNED OUT NOT TO BE WHAT HE CLAIMED HE WAS, OR IF SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU, SIBLING OR GOOD FRIEND, WENT BONKERS GLASSY-EYED BORN AGAIN? NOT LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER, JUST POKING AT WHAT MIGHT BE TENDER AREAS THAT MIGHT NEED FURTHER CONTEMPLATION BY YOU.

MY MIND IS THE CHURCH OF GOD

YOU ARE SO TERRIBLY MISTAKEN. THE SPARK OF GOD THAT LIES IN YOUR HEART IS THE CHURCH OF GOD IN YOU. COMPARED TO THIS SPARK, YOUR RATIONAL MIND IS BUT A GRAIN OF SAND ON A GREAT BEACH. COMPARED TO YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS MIND, YOUR RATIONAL MIND IS BUT A GRAIN OF SAND IN A SAND BOX. YOUR RATIONAL MIND IS A PART OF THE CHURCH OF GOD IN YOU, BUT ONLY A PEW, AND NOT ONE THAT SITS TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE CHURCH. YOU HAVE SHRUNK GOD DOWN TO A GRAIN OF SAND, CINDY, WHICH PERHAPS SEEMS SAFE TO YOU, BUT IS ANYTHING BUT SAFE, AND THE DEVIL LOVES IT, MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT!

GOD has brought me to think seriously at what Religion and Politics were teaching us, separation of power and MONEY, My GOD says that is WRONG.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SEPARATION OF POWER AND MONEY? I NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE.

If you find yourselves on the correct way of LIFE, more power to you, in the realm of Religion and Politics are teaching us, separation of power and MONEY, My GOD says that is WRONG.

I do not.

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, CINDY. ANYONE WHO HAS DIRECT INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCES WITH THE ALMIGHTY ONGOING KNOWS THAT. ANYONE WHO HAS DIRECT INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCES WITH THE ALMIGHTY ONGOING HAS NO NEED FOR RELIGION BY ANY NAME.

One Believes That Their Way of Experiencing the World is the Right Way and (Until They Learn Differently)

THIS IS TRUE, AND PEOPLE BOUND TO RELIGION HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME LEARNING DIFFERENTLY, FOR RELIGION IS THE ANTITHESIS OF LEARNING DIFFERENTLY, RELIGION CLAIMS IT IS THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING. YOU SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THAT WHEN YOU WERE A CHRISTIAN, SO WHEN YOU LEFT CHRISTIANITY, YOU DID NOT FALL INTO THE SAME PRISON AGAIN IN A DIFFERENT WRAPPER DISGUISED AS FREEDOM.

sloan keysmyhome@hotmail.com says
Your Deist friends who scorn learning and being led through revelation ???????

Deism

(from Latin: deus = God) refers to the eighteenth-century movement in modern Christianity which taught that reason—rather than revelation—should form the basis of religion. In England and the American colonies, this movement promoted the idea that there were natural principles which could be agreed upon by all people regardless of the positive (historical) differences among their many faiths. Many of the American founding fathers, among them Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and George Washington, identified with Deism, and their outlook helped to create the “American civil religion” that embraces people of all creeds.

WHAT THE EARLY DEISTS CREATED, CINDY, WAS A SECULAR RELIGION THAT ACKNOWLEDGED THE ALMIGHTY BUT WORSHIPPED THE RATIONAL MIND. JEFFERSON, FRANKLIN AND WASHINGTON WERE DEISTS. THEY ALSO WERE FREE MASONS. WASHINGTON ATTENDED CHRISTIAN CHURCH SERVICES, I’M PRETTY SURE. JEFFERSON DISCOUNTED CHRISTIANITY, VIEWED IT AS A SUPERSTITION, AND A DANGEROUS ONE AT THAT, AS HISTORY HAD WELL PROVEN. HE EVENTUALLY WROTE HIS OWN VERSION OF THE GOSPELS, CALLED THE JEFFERSON BIBLE, IN WHICH HE REMOVED ANYTHING SUPERNATURAL FROM THE SCRIPTURE, INCLUDING GOD.

THE “AMERICAN CIVIL RELIGION” JEFFERSON, FRANKLIN AND WASHINGTON HELPED TO CREATE EMBRACED PEOPLE WHO WERE WHITE MEN, AS THEIR CIVIL RELIGION’S FAILURE TO EMANCIPATE WOMEN AND END SLAVERY AND THE GENOCIDE AGAINST THE INGENOUS AMERICANS PROVED. DEISTS DID NOT EMBRACE OTHER CREEDS, BUT TOLERATED THEM AS AN UNAVOIDABLE EVIL. IF THEY’D HAD THEIR WAY, DEISTS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN RID OF ALL CREEDS BUT DEISM, WHICH MIGHT HAVE BEEN A PRETTY GOOD IDEA IF DEISTS HAD REALY BEEN DEISTS – IN ONE-ON-ONE INTERACTIVE COMMUNION WITH THE ALMIGHTLY, AS OPPOSED TO ONE-ON-ONE COMMUNION WITH THEIR OWN RATIONAL MINDS.

THE LIKES OF JEFFERSON, FRANKLIN AND WASHINGTON NEVER WANTED TO SEE RELIGION RUN THEIR NEW GOVERNMENT, AS THEY AND THEIR ANCESTORS HAD SEEN RELIGION RUN GOVERNMENTS IN EUROPE, OFTEN WITH HORRIBLE CONSEQUENCES. THAT IS WHY THEY ADDED SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE TO THE CONSTITUTION, TO DEFEND AGAINST RELIGION TAKING OVER THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE WAS THEY SEPARATED GOD FROM STATE, WHICH WAS CATASTROPHIC.

LOOKS TO ME CINDY, THAT YOU SUBSTITUTED BEING A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN FOR BEING A BORN AGAIN DEIST IN THE SMALL SENSE, INSTEAD OF IN THE ST. PAUL AND JESUS SENSE. YOU REALLY SHOULD READ ACTS OF THE APOSTLES AND SEE WHAT ALL GOD DID TO SAUL, TO TURN HIM INTO PAUL. ALSO SOME INTERESTING STUFF IN ACTS ABOUT HOW GOD TREATED PETER. THOSE TWO MEN WERE DEISTS, CINDY. EXCEPT FOR PAUL, THE DEISTS YOU KEEP THROWING AT ME, DEAD AND LIVING, ARE IMPOSTORS, AND YOU ARE HALLUCINATING.

FYI, I USED YOUR AND MY RECENT BACK AND FORTH IN A POST YESTERDAY TO GOODMORNINGBIRMINGHAM.COM. THIS TODAY BETWEEN US WILL BE A SQUEL TO THAT POST. SEEMS GOD WANTS OTHER PEOPLE TO READ OUR DIALOGUE, WHICH PERHAPS IS THE MAIN REASON IT HAS OCCURRED.

SLOAN

deism

one-on-one with the Almighty

Made no post to goodmorningbirmingham.com yesterday because I had nothing that seemed appropriate. My nap dreams yesterday suggested something new was coming in for that website. What follows is, I hope, the last of email back and forth with a woman who came my way over a page on one of my websites entitled “God’s poet.” She tried to draw me into GOOOH (Get out of our House of Representatives), which she insisted was simply a process for putting non-politicians into House seats held by career politicians. All along, it sounded to me that there was more, and there was more, even though she kept arguing it was just a process. I finally asked her to stop contacting me, and it seemed she did that until this arrived yesterday, perhaps responding to an old email from me she had not answered. She told me she doesn’t type well and that causes her difficulty corresponding by email.

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sorry Sloan this was an old email that was stuck in my draft mail, I am not sure we do not have anything, because we are stuck in belief systems that although they might have truths of GOD, They do not know TRUTH.

Judge me wrongly, but thats OK, that was on my Sublect bar for some reason >

Check out this fwd fwd fwd : The Economy Fix….by Seniors ;- )A forward ?

There are a lot of different interpretations of God, you Sloan you are wrong to even think I am not aware of God. I know longer agree with The Bible, GOD IS IN ME, wether you think it it possible or not.

Anthing is possble with GOD,

I let God Be God, I have more to say , but, many Christian do not seem to have ears to hear.

My reply:

I did not say God is not in you, Cindy. God is in everyone, God is in everything, there is nothing that God is not in. God was in Adolph Hitler, God was in Osama bin Laden, God was in Pontius Pilate. God is in George W. Bush and Barack Obama. So what? What matters is how we live God. That was Jesus’ entire message in the Gospels.

You don’t need to tell me again that you are no longer a Christian, or that Christianity is lost. I was told some time ago by the angels who ride herd on me because I don’t claim to be smart enough to know what way God wants me to think or behave, that Christianity is a Satanic Cult. Same for all religions, I was told. From what I have seen from you and Keith and Roger, looks to me that Diesm is a Satanic Cult.

If you think for a heartbeat, Cindy, that your mind is smart enough to figure out what God wants you or anyone else to do, you are mistaken. That’s all I preach. On our own, we are incapable of walking with God. We need help, lots of help. Everywhere I look, everywhere I go, I see that is true.

You were not honest with me about GOOOH, you denied it was a religious front after I said it looked like a religious front. Later, yes, you said it is a Deist front. What we don’t need any more of in Congress are people who do not tell the truth. We don’t need any more political parties, either. We don’t even need the ones we already have. Same can be said for the religions. What we need is people being run by God, or is my opinion. And even that would be a stretch because being run by God is awful and often a bit confusing because it often makes no rational sense from a mainstream, secular perspective.

I still say you would do well to stop searching around for answers, and try to get what you need to know straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak. There are a lot of people selling a lot of things because it reinforces their belief in those things to have buyers and followers/believers, and, in some cases, they are trying to make money off of those things. All I’m selling is God’s will, not mine, be done. Mine being my ego, my mind, my human nature, not my God nature. That’s all I’ve been selling for quite a while, and it is not even a product I like.

Jesus didn’t seem to like that product in the Gospels, either, but he bought it anyway. You might wish to try to separate him from what other people tried to make of him in the Gospels, and later. I doubt you will find a better role model for walking with God, including being tested by the Devil all along the way. The Devil in Jesus, the Devil in spirit.

You are gravely mistaken, if you don’t believe the Devil exists. I know for a fact the Devil exists, for the same reason I know for a fact God exists. I have experienced them both many times and sometimes, alas, it’s very difficult to tell them apart because the Devil is adept at coming across as something very close to God.

I belong to no religion, Cindy. I belong to God, and I ain’t very happy about it, to be dead honest, because it’s no fun most of the time.

You came courting me. Your soul set it up. Your soul knew what I would say to you before I even said it. God knew what I would say to you before I even said it. It was arranged Cindy. I don’t expect you to believe that. I would be nuts to expect you to believe it.

Many people like you have come to me in the way you came to me through some vehicle seemingly unrelated to why they really came to me. I receive them and try to have a discussion with them for a while. Sometimes a person sees it was arranged and shifts gears to engage the discussion. Even then, after a while the discussion turns them away.

I would have boogied from God long time ago, if there was a way I could do it. Alas, it has been shown to me over and over again in excruciating ways that I am shanghaied, conscripted, indentured, and there is no safe getting out of it – it’s for life. That’s my story, Cindy, and I’m sticking to it. You don’t seem to like what I’m selling, and that’s why I told you there seems no reason for us to continue our discussion.

Sloan

Her reply, off parts of what I wrote to her:

for the same reason I know for a fact God exists

The Bible ? I am not looking there anymore I choose to love life and discover what works when I was a Bible reader I could not wait to die & go to heaven I KNOW where your coming from
I do not claim anything.GOOOH is a plan and process unfortuantely many in the process are listening to belief……as far as beliefs understand Angels & Demon are cult like a cult.Your expirienece is yours to learn and discover WHY?I understand Christian Egos get in Tims way , but he does not see it, I do not know what else you might see wrong with it, “THE PLAN ” but, I did not realize I shared anything to you about GOOOH sorry he hit a nerve, several goooh members have hit my nerve too, but I do not see a better plan out there we can get togther and disicuss out right to be right with out the politics, I do understand how the religious right and christianity lies to get there point accross, that is why I wish more deist would get involed as you know with Deism solutions happen , more then basing a life on a Bible throry as we let our Egos go, to help our walk the walk of seeing our path too the nation see, as what as I said in Christianity , (parafrased) seeing what God has betowed for those that LOVE LIFE>Angels have a new cult-likeeligious movement of their own people from Bible probably saw hallucinations about angels and demons and actually I saw a hallucination too but it wasnt about anything from bible.but for those with expiences .such as yours………http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diFbAw2awR0&feature=player_embedded#!It’s impossible for Deism to be a cult because Deismteaches …..Deism teaches there is a God.

Is Deism a cult? It’s impossible for Deism to be a cult because Deism teaches self-reliance and encourages people to constantly use their reason. Deism teaches to “question authority” no matter what the cost.

What is the basis of Deism? Reason and nature. We see the design found throughout the known universe and this realization brings us to a sound belief in a Designer or God.

Read more:

http://www.meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Other_religions/deism.htm#ixzz1YWs9KT9DOn Sep 20, 2011, at 4:08 PM, sloan bashinsky wrote:

looks to me that Diesm is a Satanic Cult

My reply:

 Cindy, my experiences with angels are direct, palpable, same with demons. Also indirect, subjective, with both. From where I live, people who discount the existence of angels and demons, and their interaction with human beings, are hallucinating just as much as Christians hallucinate when they think all they have to do to be saved and have eternal life is to believe Jesus was the son of God and died on the cross for their sins and was resurrected and went to sit on the right hand of God, from whence he will come to judge both the quick and the dead. In my line of work and experience, every group of more than two people is a Satanic Cult. Families included. You and I are not having the same experience, Cindy. If you were having my experience, you would see and speak very differently, if it didn’t drive you over the edge, which it very well could, given how rigid you are in your beliefs. Belief is belief, nothing more. I used to believe God existed, I used to believe angels existed. I used to believe the Devil and demonic spirits did not exist. No more, I know they all exist, because I experience them ongoing. If it supports your belief to say I’m hallucinating because the alternative does not support your belief, then say I’m hallucinating. Looks to me you are having a very strong reaction to your religious upbringing, which has shut you down entirely to the Invisible. I again say, we are doing different things, you are not accepting anything I say to you, and what you are saying to me disagrees with what I am seeing and hearing with my own two eyes and ears, and sensing with various receptors native to all human beings but dormant in most. I still think we should stop our discussion and, my angel controllers willing, I will take my own advice. Sloan
 
Her reply:
 
Do as you may . Sloan
We are created of an all mighty source, do not allow your expirience with Angels or Demons take that away, LOVE LIFE, who said we need to support anyone belief to communicate, other than religion.

(Romans 2:13) http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/deism_bible.htm

As you can see, following the development of Paul’s argument in this passage, Paul was himself a Deist, and subordinated scripture. For scripture comes from the heart, and even those who do not hold to the Bible can be ‘justified’, and not only justified, but they will sit in judgment upon churches and Bible readers who have the law of God in books, but not living in their hearts.

love to you
Cindy & Art
 
Yet more from Cindy this morning:
 
I guess you don’t get it.
That is what religion is, even the Bible view of GOD and Angels, your personal exprience is yours I have mine that is what GOD is in us as indivisuals.
 
The Bible is not my God word.
I wanted my mind as I understood what Thomas Paine meant My mind is the Church.
Begin forwarded message:

True- the Bible does denounce hierarchy to a point- in the human realm. Although, there were still leaders (i.e. Moses, Aaron, Levitical Priests, Joshua and the Judges). But in the end, God is always the ultimate authority. So, the Bible actually teaches a dictatorship- the individual is always subordinate in his will to God. You might even call it an Oligarchy- Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with minor authorities (shall we say governors) in the human theater. in the New Testament, you have Bishops and Deacons. There is some form of government, but it is all under the thumb of the Godhead. God’s word is law- some good principles, but not the greatest standard overall.

Peace
Doug

Why it so difficult to discuss beliefs doug tozier
On Sep 20, 2011, at 4:08 PM, sloan bashinsky wrote:


If you think for a heartbeat, Cindy, that your mind is smart enough to figure out what God wants you or anyone else to do, you are mistaken. That’s all I preach. On our own, we are incapable of walking with God. We need help, lots of help. Everywhere I look, everywhere I go, I see that is true.

 
 
My reply:
 
No, Cindy, you don’t get it, because you are trying to work it all out in your own mind, which is incapable of working it all out because your mind is too limited to work it all out. No human mind can work it all out, for the same reason – too limited. My experiences with the supernatural have nothing to do with the Bible, although some of what I experience is mentioned there – Jesus, God, some of the Archangels, Satan, demonic spirits.

The Bible is a history book, written by religious people. The Bible is not God, although many Christians call it the Word, even though the Bible does not call itself the Word, and in his Gospel, John calls Jesus the Word. You continue to present what looks to me like a deep struggle in yourself against your Bible and Christian days, and you continue to identify me with your struggle. I have seen your struggle in many people who tried to paste something else on top of it to replace it, from the east, a guru, from the west, another western religion, from past times, Wicca, from present times, the New Age, Conversations with God, from the Arcane, Sufism, Gurdjeff, Tibetan Buddhism, but the underlying struggle continued to rage.

Your real struggle is deeper. Your real struggle is with God, as is so for all human beings, whether or not they realize it. If you lived in my skin, had my experiences, you would know this. You would let go of all of the trinkets and would spend your remaining days sweating blood doing what God shows you to do. Not personally shown by God, but through agents assigned to assist you. Not human agents, but what I call angels of the Lord, who themselves are instructed. I suppose it is possible for a human being to have direct communion with God, but I have not gotten there, and I don’t know anyone else who has. From all I have been told, and from what I see reported of Jesus in the Gospels, he was instructed by agents assigned to him, to give an example of a truly great human being who was not smart enough to do it all on his own.

Your Deist friends who scorn learning and being led through revelation look to me like people who are terrified of not being in control, terrified of there being something a bit bigger than they are, which they cannot fathom, much less control. They look to me, even, like they are trying to make God in their own image, which is a problem Christendom created for itself, as well. That, Cindy, is why I keep telling you to drop all of this you are preaching and simply ask God to instruct and correct you. You trust God enough for you to let that happen, don’t you? Not that that your request will be granted, but it might be granted, and then you will see, hear, feel a deism I cannot possibly explain in words that mean anything, even though I have tried.

A deism such as Saul of Tarsus began to experience on the road to Damascus, and thereafter, as described in Acts of the Apostles. A deism filled with revelation and instruction and correction from The Beyond. Peter, in Acts, experienced that kind deism, too. And for both men it was laced with, “Not my but God’s will be done.” If you are going to use the Bible on me, use the parts that put it in full context.

Sloan